If the party itself doesn’t expect people to vote, then why vote for them?
They want you to join their mailing list,
, understand the platform, and hopefully a decent percentage of people will work to bolster them in local elections over the next four years.
You really have a lot of faith in your fellow Americans, don’t you?
Understand the spoiler effect. A vote for a third party is guaranteed to support the first-party that you likely oppose the most. It does not help anybody, except for whoever is furthest from your goals.
You think we will get any traction on voting reform with a first-party in charge? No. The game is massively stacked in the established parties favor, and changing that will damage their power, unless they form strong allegiances with third parties who caucus along side them.
They need to work from the ground up. You need a reality check. This country will go to hell in a hand basket if everyone who leans even a little bit left doesn’t step up and vote for the establishment candidate on the left.
We’re already halfway there. Look around. Look at how expensive homes and food are. The middle class no longer exists. The majority of them are drowning in revolving credit debt trying to keep their families heads above water. Anybody who is deeply indebted is, obviously, beyond broke.
And worse than that, my family pays more in health insurance premiums than we do in food. That is fucked. Staying healthy shouldn’t be more expensive than staying alive.
Neither I nor psl seriously think enough people will vote psl for them to win. I should have been clearer :)
Parties that vie with liberals to share the reins of power are the precursors to parties like psl, the dsa is a great example, psl recognizes how that strategy failed and are not trying to caucus with liberals except for in strategic circumstances.
The spoiler effect is exaggerated. Take me for example, I haven’t voted for an establishment party for fourteen years (at the state and national level). If there wasn’t a psl id vote some other third party that is as close to my ideals as possible. If there were no third parties id write in.
People aren’t saying “gosh, I just want someone a little better than the democrats” or “these republicans are too woke!” They’re recognizing that those two parties don’t and can’t represent them, maybe less so on the republican side, and choosing to vote third party instead of not voting for that seat.
I’m sure there’s lots of research showing that the spoiler effect is real, but personally speaking, and speaking for people I know who vote third party, and speaking from the experience of door knocking and then working the polls, third party voters aren’t going to be shamed or lectured into voting along mainstream party lines.
But let’s say you’d rather trust the science than some weirdo on the internet, and you believe that third party voters are just democrat voters who aren’t there yet.
Shouldn’t the democrats adopt the policies that entice them?
If third party voters are required to win this election, and they oppose the genocide, shouldn’t the democrats take real tangible steps while in power to stop the genocide and get those votes?
Psl has been working from the ground up. I don’t know what else to say. If you have a chapter near you they’re probably out there.
Things are fucked, I agree with you. There are material reasons why and psl is closer than any party I’ve ever interacted with in terms of recognizing the problem and working towards a solution.
Under no circumstances should anyone even consider voting for the psl at this time. It’s a throwaway vote and hurtful to the chance we have to keep Trump the fuck out of our politics.
The time to have considered them is LONG past. They didn’t do any of the work to make themselves viable. And as the far leftists/socialists like to say-
“The onus isn’t on the voter to do the work. It’s on the candidate to be electable.” Right?
De la Cruz is not electable, because there has been zero work towards any viability.
Harris IS electable. She’s campaigning. She’s interviewing. She’s debating. She has a good chance to win. Her policy is sound and believably possible in a real world. She has a track record of being politically astute and educated.
De la Cruz is nobody.
Don’t listen to this shit that the bullshit psl is here for anything other than to disrupt an election.
If the party itself doesn’t expect people to vote, then why vote for them?
They want you to join their mailing list, , understand the platform, and hopefully a decent percentage of people will work to bolster them in local elections over the next four years.
You really have a lot of faith in your fellow Americans, don’t you?
Understand the spoiler effect. A vote for a third party is guaranteed to support the first-party that you likely oppose the most. It does not help anybody, except for whoever is furthest from your goals.
You think we will get any traction on voting reform with a first-party in charge? No. The game is massively stacked in the established parties favor, and changing that will damage their power, unless they form strong allegiances with third parties who caucus along side them.
They need to work from the ground up. You need a reality check. This country will go to hell in a hand basket if everyone who leans even a little bit left doesn’t step up and vote for the establishment candidate on the left.
We’re already halfway there. Look around. Look at how expensive homes and food are. The middle class no longer exists. The majority of them are drowning in revolving credit debt trying to keep their families heads above water. Anybody who is deeply indebted is, obviously, beyond broke.
And worse than that, my family pays more in health insurance premiums than we do in food. That is fucked. Staying healthy shouldn’t be more expensive than staying alive.
Neither I nor psl seriously think enough people will vote psl for them to win. I should have been clearer :)
Parties that vie with liberals to share the reins of power are the precursors to parties like psl, the dsa is a great example, psl recognizes how that strategy failed and are not trying to caucus with liberals except for in strategic circumstances.
The spoiler effect is exaggerated. Take me for example, I haven’t voted for an establishment party for fourteen years (at the state and national level). If there wasn’t a psl id vote some other third party that is as close to my ideals as possible. If there were no third parties id write in.
People aren’t saying “gosh, I just want someone a little better than the democrats” or “these republicans are too woke!” They’re recognizing that those two parties don’t and can’t represent them, maybe less so on the republican side, and choosing to vote third party instead of not voting for that seat.
I’m sure there’s lots of research showing that the spoiler effect is real, but personally speaking, and speaking for people I know who vote third party, and speaking from the experience of door knocking and then working the polls, third party voters aren’t going to be shamed or lectured into voting along mainstream party lines.
But let’s say you’d rather trust the science than some weirdo on the internet, and you believe that third party voters are just democrat voters who aren’t there yet.
Shouldn’t the democrats adopt the policies that entice them?
If third party voters are required to win this election, and they oppose the genocide, shouldn’t the democrats take real tangible steps while in power to stop the genocide and get those votes?
Psl has been working from the ground up. I don’t know what else to say. If you have a chapter near you they’re probably out there.
Things are fucked, I agree with you. There are material reasons why and psl is closer than any party I’ve ever interacted with in terms of recognizing the problem and working towards a solution.
Under no circumstances should anyone even consider voting for the psl at this time. It’s a throwaway vote and hurtful to the chance we have to keep Trump the fuck out of our politics.
The time to have considered them is LONG past. They didn’t do any of the work to make themselves viable. And as the far leftists/socialists like to say-
“The onus isn’t on the voter to do the work. It’s on the candidate to be electable.” Right?
De la Cruz is not electable, because there has been zero work towards any viability.
Harris IS electable. She’s campaigning. She’s interviewing. She’s debating. She has a good chance to win. Her policy is sound and believably possible in a real world. She has a track record of being politically astute and educated.
De la Cruz is nobody.
Don’t listen to this shit that the bullshit psl is here for anything other than to disrupt an election.
If the dems need psl votes to beat trump they should adopt psl policies.
Psl has done so much work towards viability that they actually have enough electoral votes available to win.
Which, of course, makes de la Cruz electable!
I believe Harris will do what she says she will do: continue to arm israel. I don’t want that so I didn’t vote Harris!
And Trump or Harris will get in anyways.
So you just 100% contributed to whatever you didn’t want to.
They know exactly what they’re up to. And it’s plain for anyone else to see as well. We’re just not allowed to say it out loud here.
I don’t see how I contributed, I didn’t vote for Harris or trump.
I’m not just gonna roll over because the party I support can’t win this election cycle (it can actually win though!).
Everybody says you gotta start small but when I’m out here supporting and building a new party suddenly out comes “no, not like that!”