Ok, so her stance in the current conflict is not worse than Trump’s?
Effectively making it pointless at best to bring up now, at worst it will stop people voting for her and the world will have to deal with Trump and his lackeys for another 4 years.
Focus on getting Harris in office, then focus on changing her attitude in the conflict.
I am sorry but that is the only way to do it.
I may not be American, but even I can see that while you might sway Harris on the issue, there is zero chance swaying Trump about anything other than being worse:
Harris is a genocide candidate supporting a genocide as part of the genocidal Biden-Harris administration. I should not need to tell you that you should oppose genocide rather than trying to use tortured and wrong primary school political logic for how support for genocide is actually opposing it and that the time to make demands is when you have thrown away any concept of leverage.
Just repeat after me: “I will not vote for any politician that has supported genocide”.
I will not vote for any politician that has supported genocide
This is admirable, in a normal democracy, the US has a broken democracy, someone abstaining from voting for the less bad option will directly benefit the worse option.
I am just trying to bring some realism into the discussion, in a democracy without FPTP your option would be fine, with FPTP a lack of vote for one option will directly benefit the other.
If you don’t want Trump to manage this crisis, you gotta vote Harris.
I’ll be honest, if I were an American, I’d vote democrat, since they seem far more likely to abollish the electoral college and FPTP than the republicans.
You live in a fantasy world where you think that abstaining from voting will do anything other than support the Republicans.
I may not like either side very much, but I am a realist, and the reallity is that the Democrats are the lesser of two evils.
So far you have only complained, and not shown any even vaugley realistic alternative to mine, and don’t say abstaining from voting, or voting for a third party, in todays America it will only benefit the Republicans.
But I do have to appologize, I am truly sorry for expecting a resonable debate with a user from lemmy.ml and especially on a lemmy.ml community, I am very sorry for wasting both of our time.
I’ll be honest, if I were an American, I’d vote democrat
Like I said, you should be honest and say, “I’d vote for a genocide candidate”. I kept my response short and direct and you opted, for a second time, to ignore the point and self-indulge your poor logic on political power and electoralism.
Regarding the rest, You should not have expected a debate on your electoral reasoning as (1) I was already dismissive of it from the get-go, implying I am already aware of it, (2) you have at no point acknowledged this and are instead trying to, for lack of a better word, mansplain it, (3) you haven’t asked for a debate nor have I indicated we were having one, and (4) you are not responding directly to what I have to say. What you are doing is not debate, but a bad faith engagement to provide apologetics for supporting genocide.
I would be happy to discuss your electoral reasoning if we could get past this basic hurdle of direct responses and good faith engagement.
Wow the level of speaking over people demonstrated here is astounding. Don’t you think if calling out Trump would have worked people would be doing that instead of trying to convince Harris?
Instead of treating critics like fools why don’t you attribute more nuance to them that you clearly think the conservatives lack?
And are you so dumb to believe that People criticizing Harris are going to vote Trump? If you see such a comment just hold your fingers and don’t engage. Either they are people who are genuine and will vote harris anyway… or a rightwing leaning folk and won’t listen to you. All you’re doing commenting is either feeding trolls or alienating Harris voters who are concerned about her stance on Palestine.
Because Trump is called out by his very existence. Calling him out every time we’re talking about the hundreds of things where his policies are bad would be preaching to the choir.
Ok, so her stance in the current conflict is not worse than Trump’s?
Effectively making it pointless at best to bring up now, at worst it will stop people voting for her and the world will have to deal with Trump and his lackeys for another 4 years.
Focus on getting Harris in office, then focus on changing her attitude in the conflict.
I am sorry but that is the only way to do it.
I may not be American, but even I can see that while you might sway Harris on the issue, there is zero chance swaying Trump about anything other than being worse:
Harris is a genocide candidate supporting a genocide as part of the genocidal Biden-Harris administration. I should not need to tell you that you should oppose genocide rather than trying to use tortured and wrong primary school political logic for how support for genocide is actually opposing it and that the time to make demands is when you have thrown away any concept of leverage.
Just repeat after me: “I will not vote for any politician that has supported genocide”.
This is admirable, in a normal democracy, the US has a broken democracy, someone abstaining from voting for the less bad option will directly benefit the worse option.
I am just trying to bring some realism into the discussion, in a democracy without FPTP your option would be fine, with FPTP a lack of vote for one option will directly benefit the other.
If you don’t want Trump to manage this crisis, you gotta vote Harris.
I am aware if such tortured illogic, I already described it as wrong and simplistic.
Since you refuse to oppose genocide, just be plain. Say, “No I will not say that. I will vote for a genocide candidate.”
You know. Just be honest.
I’ll be honest, if I were an American, I’d vote democrat, since they seem far more likely to abollish the electoral college and FPTP than the republicans.
You live in a fantasy world where you think that abstaining from voting will do anything other than support the Republicans.
I may not like either side very much, but I am a realist, and the reallity is that the Democrats are the lesser of two evils.
So far you have only complained, and not shown any even vaugley realistic alternative to mine, and don’t say abstaining from voting, or voting for a third party, in todays America it will only benefit the Republicans.
But I do have to appologize, I am truly sorry for expecting a resonable debate with a user from lemmy.ml and especially on a lemmy.ml community, I am very sorry for wasting both of our time.
Like I said, you should be honest and say, “I’d vote for a genocide candidate”. I kept my response short and direct and you opted, for a second time, to ignore the point and self-indulge your poor logic on political power and electoralism.
Regarding the rest, You should not have expected a debate on your electoral reasoning as (1) I was already dismissive of it from the get-go, implying I am already aware of it, (2) you have at no point acknowledged this and are instead trying to, for lack of a better word, mansplain it, (3) you haven’t asked for a debate nor have I indicated we were having one, and (4) you are not responding directly to what I have to say. What you are doing is not debate, but a bad faith engagement to provide apologetics for supporting genocide.
I would be happy to discuss your electoral reasoning if we could get past this basic hurdle of direct responses and good faith engagement.
Focus on getting the genocide candidate in and then change her mind? No thanks… that’s delusional.
You just said that both parties as equally bad on this issue, so why not call out Trump as well?
Wow the level of speaking over people demonstrated here is astounding. Don’t you think if calling out Trump would have worked people would be doing that instead of trying to convince Harris?
Instead of treating critics like fools why don’t you attribute more nuance to them that you clearly think the conservatives lack?
And are you so dumb to believe that People criticizing Harris are going to vote Trump? If you see such a comment just hold your fingers and don’t engage. Either they are people who are genuine and will vote harris anyway… or a rightwing leaning folk and won’t listen to you. All you’re doing commenting is either feeding trolls or alienating Harris voters who are concerned about her stance on Palestine.
No, certainly not, but some may not vote at all, which would benefit the Trump campaign.
Because Harris is currently the Vice President of the United States when this specific thing is happening. Hope this helps!
Because Trump is called out by his very existence. Calling him out every time we’re talking about the hundreds of things where his policies are bad would be preaching to the choir.
Trump is not called out by his very existance.
Trump is called out as a result of his actions.
Calling out Harris at this stage will only serve to drive away voters from her, which will only benefit the Trump campaign.
You have two evils fighting for power, pick the lesser.
This situation will continue untill the US gets rid of the electors and FPTP in elections.
Only then can third parties have a real chance and you can actually vote with more granularity.
So, until we succeed in a revolution. Sounds good! I recommend joining PSL or FRSO.