I don’t hate Democrats, I just disagree with them.
I hate Republicans, and will side with Democrats if it can keep Republicans out of power.
Why don’t you hate the party currently aiding a genocide? Seems worthy of hatred unless that’s not one of the things you disagree with them about.
You should hate them. GOP will just genocide harder. Vote the GOP to oblivion until they won’t rise anymore then the dems are the “right wing demons” where they belong. Then vote more progressive. Rinse repeat until we live in a solar punk society.
I admire your optimism that we can reach a solar punk society via voting. I’m not being glip I do admire it. Optimism is important and I have lost maybe too much of it.
The GOP will certainly try to genocide harder and they are absolutely repugnant. Anyone voting for them is absolute deranged.
Part of being solar punk is optimism. Voting is the Only peaceful option I know of. So long as GOP is threat we will never have progress to vote third party. DNC knows this and uses it against us.
Classic trolley problem and you have failed it.
You want to hate the guy for pulling the lever that leads to fewer deaths at the expense of allowing the one who will ignore the lever and allow for the most death.
I didn’t say I wouldn’t pull the lever. I asked why you wouldn’t hate the person who tied everyone to the tracks. Even if you pull the lever and kill fewer I would despise the person who set up the problem at all.
The person who set up the problem isn’t on the ballot.
We’re voting for the person at the lever.
Hatred isn’t going to change anything. One could argue that hatred is how people end up in the tracks.
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a third party (who won’t win but maybe doesn’t love genocide).
That “maybe” is doing all the work here.
Maybe that third party candidate orgasms to genocide.
But main point is you admit they won’t win so what you’re, which you feel alleviates you from being culpable. This entire process is occurring in your imagination, all based on the fantasy of a maybe.
You cross the line when you attack others for making a choice among the valid options. Getting upset that people don’t go along with your story is weird and antisocial.
you’ve lost me sorry. I don’t remember saying I was voting for the third party. You seem to have imagined that from the use of the word maybe. I definitely prefer a person who isn’t supporting genocide to win but as I have myself admitted that is unlikely.
You are the one attacking me for not liking the Democrats for supporting a genocide. The original comment I replied to said:
I don’t hate Democrats, I just disagree with them.
And I asked
Why don’t you hate the party currently aiding a genocide?
Which to me seems reasonable. Like I hate people supporting genocide. Sorry if that’s weird or antisocial. I’ll try and be more social and adore genociders… Is that what you’re saying? I really can’t imagine it’s What your trying to say. But please correct my logic.
There was no mention of third parties or voting for or against them until you implied I was weird for disliking those who do genocide.
The main point is that you seem unable to condemn those currently doing evil things because someone else might also do evil things.
The problem in conversations is that there’s a serious dissonance stemming from different individuals (forget about groups even) defining “lesser evil” as well as what constitutes “hate” and “condemnation.”
The issue in any event is one that people familiar with the space are accustomed to – leftists are, almost without fail, absolutists unable to conceive of policy because of their conviction in the correctness of their esoteric political philosophies. It’s a group where second-order thinking is heresy because it may call into question a talking point which has been adopted as doctrine and which one must be seen as espousing lest they lose their status as a member of the group.
There’s a reason that progressives have been so successful around the world, while leftists are stuck posting in insular online communities or preaching to the already converted when in public.
Hear hear idealists crumble when the rubber meets the road. They find it difficult to live in reality without an all or nothing kinda mindset
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The whole “lesser evil” term is weird. It’s about moving the Overton window.
