So…. 72% of democrats is too low of a number for government run healthcare for the DNC to care? What happened to doing what a significant majority of your voters want?
Hell even private, still ensuring healthcare for everyone is still a majority.
Also, man you tell me vote if I want to matter then tell me I don’t matter. Which is it. That progressives as a whole need to vote if they want to matter? Literally the group by your own polls data you were using that votes the most. Like lol.
Anyways, again, while it may only be 6% as I’ve been saying we do not need a perfect representative. I do not expect a fucking communist president. Just do some of the extremely popular progressive platforms such as healthcare for all or etc. then do your normal liberal shit for everything else idgaf. But if you want to lose 12% of your base then whatever. Hope you pick up enough republicans I guess. Have fun with that. But don’t be surprised that the single group that has the highest % voter turnout ignores you when you actively antagonize them, shit on their ideals, and tell them they don’t matter, while simultaneously blaming them when you lose, and suing any party that represents them off ballots. Thanks for reminding me not to let them have my vote because they don’t deserve shit when they pull shit like this trying to pretend progressives don’t matter tho. I was almost on the fence.
So…. 72% of democrats is too low of a number for government run healthcare for the DNC to care? What happened to doing what a significant majority of your voters want?
Yes, and did you also see that independents are split 50-50? Even if you got 100% of Democrats you’d still lose scores of swing states without independents, whose views are much more nuanced. It’s also important for national campaigns to identify exactly who those voters are. If that 72% will vote for you no matter what, but the remaining 26% will vote GOP or sit out if you push too aggressively toward government-run healthcare, then again it’s political suicide to cater exclusively to them. Unfortunately the healthcare debate doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Democrats went pretty far out on a limb with the ACA and still paid dearly over the next few election cycles.
Also, man you tell me vote if I want to matter then tell me I don’t matter.
I’m telling you that your personal preferences aren’t the only thing a politician cares about. They care about public opinion in aggregate. Your personal opinions are irrelevant to this discussion because they don’t always reflect majority opinion, and national politics is a game played at the margins in only a handful of states.
Which is it. That progressives as a whole need to vote if they want to matter?
They need to organize at the grassroots level, get involved in party politics, and expand their coalition. Majority coalitions are difficult to build but also difficult to disentangle once they’re established.
Literally the group by your own polls data you were using that votes the most. Like lol.
In 2020 and increasingly so, yes. But farther back that wasn’t necessarily true. The coalitions who have the most influence now are more or less holdovers from the 1990s and 2000s. Engagement along the ideological spectrum didn’t really start changing until after Obama, and you’re currently part of an active realignment. That doesn’t mean you’ll get everything you want right out of the gate, though.
Anyways, again, while it may only be 6% as I’ve been saying we do not need a perfect representative. I do not expect a fucking communist president. Just do some of the extremely popular progressive platforms such as healthcare for all or etc. then do your normal liberal shit for everything else idgaf.
Two things. First, I haven’t actually told you how I identify or what I believe. I’m simply telling you how progressives are or aren’t represented in major voter statistics. Second, if you zoom out a bit (like multiple decades) you’ll find that the Democratic Party has actually made significant strides leftward in terms of abortion rights, healthcare, unions, and green energy investment. Sure for every major accomplishment there’s another drawback or step in the wrong direction (investment in green energy but ALSO fossil fuels, for example), but a cruise ship cannot be steered on a dime. Dramatic shifts take time, and coalitions take years and decades to form or dissolve.
But if you want to lose 12% of your base then whatever. Hope you pick up enough republicans I guess. Have fun with that. But don’t be surprised that the single group that has the highest % voter turnout ignores you when you actively antagonize them, shit on their ideals, and tell them they don’t matter, while simultaneously blaming them when you lose, and suing any party that represents them off ballots. Thanks for reminding me not to let them have my vote because they don’t deserve shit when they pull shit like this trying to pretend progressives don’t matter tho. I was almost on the fence.
Again, this has nothing to do with me. Not sure why you’re so wedded to this being an ideological battle between the two of us, as opposed to an observation about national realities. Progressives are not a majority in this country or the Democratic Party. That means they have to be creative and deliberate in how they influence elections. It also means they’re often not going to get what they want, but that’s ok because nobody gets what they want.
Anyway, it’s clear you take this very personally, so I’ll leave it there.
So…. 72% of democrats is too low of a number for government run healthcare for the DNC to care? What happened to doing what a significant majority of your voters want?
Hell even private, still ensuring healthcare for everyone is still a majority.
Also, man you tell me vote if I want to matter then tell me I don’t matter. Which is it. That progressives as a whole need to vote if they want to matter? Literally the group by your own polls data you were using that votes the most. Like lol.
Anyways, again, while it may only be 6% as I’ve been saying we do not need a perfect representative. I do not expect a fucking communist president. Just do some of the extremely popular progressive platforms such as healthcare for all or etc. then do your normal liberal shit for everything else idgaf. But if you want to lose 12% of your base then whatever. Hope you pick up enough republicans I guess. Have fun with that. But don’t be surprised that the single group that has the highest % voter turnout ignores you when you actively antagonize them, shit on their ideals, and tell them they don’t matter, while simultaneously blaming them when you lose, and suing any party that represents them off ballots. Thanks for reminding me not to let them have my vote because they don’t deserve shit when they pull shit like this trying to pretend progressives don’t matter tho. I was almost on the fence.
Yes, and did you also see that independents are split 50-50? Even if you got 100% of Democrats you’d still lose scores of swing states without independents, whose views are much more nuanced. It’s also important for national campaigns to identify exactly who those voters are. If that 72% will vote for you no matter what, but the remaining 26% will vote GOP or sit out if you push too aggressively toward government-run healthcare, then again it’s political suicide to cater exclusively to them. Unfortunately the healthcare debate doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Democrats went pretty far out on a limb with the ACA and still paid dearly over the next few election cycles.
I’m telling you that your personal preferences aren’t the only thing a politician cares about. They care about public opinion in aggregate. Your personal opinions are irrelevant to this discussion because they don’t always reflect majority opinion, and national politics is a game played at the margins in only a handful of states.
They need to organize at the grassroots level, get involved in party politics, and expand their coalition. Majority coalitions are difficult to build but also difficult to disentangle once they’re established.
In 2020 and increasingly so, yes. But farther back that wasn’t necessarily true. The coalitions who have the most influence now are more or less holdovers from the 1990s and 2000s. Engagement along the ideological spectrum didn’t really start changing until after Obama, and you’re currently part of an active realignment. That doesn’t mean you’ll get everything you want right out of the gate, though.
Two things. First, I haven’t actually told you how I identify or what I believe. I’m simply telling you how progressives are or aren’t represented in major voter statistics. Second, if you zoom out a bit (like multiple decades) you’ll find that the Democratic Party has actually made significant strides leftward in terms of abortion rights, healthcare, unions, and green energy investment. Sure for every major accomplishment there’s another drawback or step in the wrong direction (investment in green energy but ALSO fossil fuels, for example), but a cruise ship cannot be steered on a dime. Dramatic shifts take time, and coalitions take years and decades to form or dissolve.
Again, this has nothing to do with me. Not sure why you’re so wedded to this being an ideological battle between the two of us, as opposed to an observation about national realities. Progressives are not a majority in this country or the Democratic Party. That means they have to be creative and deliberate in how they influence elections. It also means they’re often not going to get what they want, but that’s ok because nobody gets what they want.
Anyway, it’s clear you take this very personally, so I’ll leave it there.