• Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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    Not disagreeing that the US does a lot of fuckery in the middle east but I think it’s ultimately the UK that started the mess.

    EDIT: West Texas is pretty empty. Israel can have it all.

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        The Ottomans were quite permissive of other cultures, you just has to pay higher tax as a non-muslim, but they left you in peace.

        After the British conspired to incite uprisings in the Ottomans, that’s when they came down hard on their subjects to quell any further uprisings (it didn’t work)

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          you just has to pay higher tax as a non-muslim, but they left you in peace.

          No they didn’t leave you in peace, just the tax part wasn’t optional.

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        Youtube videos are a disaster in historical accuracy.

        The Ottoman empire was stable. They had beef with Armenia. But that only turned into the Armenian genocide after the Turks turned secular.

        The empire was not a beacon of wealth but it was nothing like the crackpot the middle east has turned into since British and French colonialism.

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          that only turned into the Armenian genocide after the Turks turned secular.

          They never turned secular while still being Ottoman Empire. It was formally a Caliphate. The Ottoman Sultan called himself Caliph among other things. It had “nations” separated on religious basis inside, with their own governing hierarchy etc.

          There was a short era of Tanzimat, which is treated by people ignorant of history as some sort of it turning into a civilized state, but it was still monarchy, and Christians were still slaves. It was, however, enough for Muslims to feel a lot of hate because of even the appearance of some kind of emancipation.

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          That was mostly England. The Balfour Declaration kicked it all off, and then post WW1 British Colonialism locked it in, even though the people who founded Israel were actively fighting England to do so.