The R version is apparently: Those of you who didn’t vote will be up against the wall if Kamala gets in because it will be your fault. Busybody neighbors are important to ensure Trump gets in again, we’re watching you.
I commented elsewhere in this thread, but I’m sad to report that the dem ones are not good either. They’re probably not as bad as the Trump ones, but the message is still gross and I received one from a dem org that had me looking up the owners and donors because it looked like a right wing scare tactic to me.
Just because information is public doesn’t mean using it is a good strategy. I think this was a bad choice for dems.
Don’t wanna doxx myself because the mailers are all region specific, but I can assure you they are coming from dems too. I’m a dem voter and I got one and googled it. I even looked at the org that’s behind it and the CEO was chief of staff for a dem and the employees donated to left wing candidates and the org comes up as highly rated on charity navigator. I called them to say that this seems like a right wing scare tactic so I was surprised to see it used on a left of center orgs mailers. Obviously there is nothing the rep could do, but hopefully if enough people call in they will change this. I’m still concerned that this left wing org is somehow secretly right wing because the mailer rubbed me the wrong way so much.
I got two from a local WA Dem organization. I got them right after I voted and the rhetoric seems to be along the lines of “don’t forget to turn in your ballot!” Nothing specific on the first. The second one was more specific and showed a table of the last four elections and whether or not a vote was cast. I’ll try to remember to post a pic later.
I wonder if it’s proximity to a swing state… safely blue state here, I could vote red 20 times and it wouldn’t even register. still going to vote blue.
I’ve mostly seen YouTube ads so not sure how to share those here. I happened to get another postcard today though, with the exact same wording is the one I linked to elsewhere in this thread:
Mostly I’ve seen them as videos that plainly state. “Who you vote for is secret. Whether you vote is public record”. I did get one handwritten postcard saying the same.
I found them mostly “interesting” as a concept, but others have felt they’re threatening:
The first one I saw I looked up the “Paid for by…” entity and it was a Kamala PAC so I just kinda assumed they all were before seeing this.
People are crazy. Feeling threatened by telling someone “hey, you didn’t vote last time. Please make your voice heard by voting” is wearing your persecution complex on your sleeve.
Its none of there business to tell someone to vote. I strongly think we need solid privacy protections for voters. Keeping it private and independent will help with our democracy in general.
It is a little over the top bringing its a threat but I see where they are coming from. I imagine any parent would be a little annoyed to have they child get stalked by a political party.
The point is that both sides have lost there minds. Trying to pretend that the Democrats are somehow less worse is silly. Call them out for what it is. That’s the only way you will see change.
“But the fact that you voted is pubic record” implies “we’re paying attention and could hassle in some form those who abstain if we choose.”
(Well, that’d be the argument for “threat” in the above text anyway. Imo threat or not it’s poorly worded leading to it being creepy, but that’s probably the extent of it. I doubt we’ll see any side round up and execute abstainers or some crazy shit like that.)
What is implied depends on the tone in which it is said.
From the GOP that “whether or not you vote is public record” in a sudden red text, and “your family friends and coworkers will know”, along with fucking binoculars carries a very sinister tone.
The Dems “Thank you!” and “Please vote” does not. The whether you vote is public record looks to me pretty matter of fact. Why it’s even said is a bit out of place, which is what I said was poorly worded.
This is not “both sides same” like the other guy suggested.
Well, being read rather than said, I’d argue the tone is inferred by the reader.
And in any case, as a privacy focused individual, I’m not exactly crazy about either. I’m also not crazy about junk mail, so junk mail that implies it’s watching me in any form, I double don’t like. Y’all killing trees for this fucking bullshit?! No thanks.
Not sure which party, but I’ve been getting the same notice in the mail every ~3 days with this message and my voting record listed all the way back to 2016 for the past two weeks. Honestly not sure if it’s an attempt to intimidate me to vote a certain way because it sure is going beyond “people will know if you voted” to kind of insinuating they’ll know who I vote for. Fail point is I don’t know acronyms for political groups so I’m not sure which one they’re trying to get me to vote for lol
Both parties are running these style ads in my area.
This is BY FAR the creepiest iteration I’ve seen.
Yeah but (IME) the Democrat version is essentially: No one will know if you vote Kamala, even your likely abusive maga spouse. (Edit- https://www.salon.com/2024/10/31/it-is-so-disastrous-maga-men-are-freaking-out-that-wives-may-be-secretly-voting-for-kamala-harris/)
The R version is apparently: Those of you who didn’t vote will be up against the wall if Kamala gets in because it will be your fault. Busybody neighbors are important to ensure Trump gets in again, we’re watching you.
I commented elsewhere in this thread, but I’m sad to report that the dem ones are not good either. They’re probably not as bad as the Trump ones, but the message is still gross and I received one from a dem org that had me looking up the owners and donors because it looked like a right wing scare tactic to me.
Just because information is public doesn’t mean using it is a good strategy. I think this was a bad choice for dems.
please post examples of the dems doing this, I’d like to see what kind of rhetoric they’re deploying.
Have seen NOTHING like this from the left in my corner of the country.
Don’t wanna doxx myself because the mailers are all region specific, but I can assure you they are coming from dems too. I’m a dem voter and I got one and googled it. I even looked at the org that’s behind it and the CEO was chief of staff for a dem and the employees donated to left wing candidates and the org comes up as highly rated on charity navigator. I called them to say that this seems like a right wing scare tactic so I was surprised to see it used on a left of center orgs mailers. Obviously there is nothing the rep could do, but hopefully if enough people call in they will change this. I’m still concerned that this left wing org is somehow secretly right wing because the mailer rubbed me the wrong way so much.
I got two from a local WA Dem organization. I got them right after I voted and the rhetoric seems to be along the lines of “don’t forget to turn in your ballot!” Nothing specific on the first. The second one was more specific and showed a table of the last four elections and whether or not a vote was cast.
I’ll try to remember to post a pic later.I wonder if it’s proximity to a swing state… safely blue state here, I could vote red 20 times and it wouldn’t even register. still going to vote blue.
thank you for the links above!
I didn’t vote for my local da because she ran unopposed (and she excused a cop for wrongdoing when he shot a kid in the back)
I’ve mostly seen YouTube ads so not sure how to share those here. I happened to get another postcard today though, with the exact same wording is the one I linked to elsewhere in this thread:
If you look at votingmatters.org it says:
Need to see it to see the tone. Saying “your vote is secret” can be taken a good way.
This is the first clearly partisan one I’ve seen.
Mostly I’ve seen them as videos that plainly state. “Who you vote for is secret. Whether you vote is public record”. I did get one handwritten postcard saying the same.
I found them mostly “interesting” as a concept, but others have felt they’re threatening:
The first one I saw I looked up the “Paid for by…” entity and it was a Kamala PAC so I just kinda assumed they all were before seeing this.
People are crazy. Feeling threatened by telling someone “hey, you didn’t vote last time. Please make your voice heard by voting” is wearing your persecution complex on your sleeve.
Fragile fucks.
Its none of there business to tell someone to vote. I strongly think we need solid privacy protections for voters. Keeping it private and independent will help with our democracy in general.
It is a little over the top bringing its a threat but I see where they are coming from. I imagine any parent would be a little annoyed to have they child get stalked by a political party.
Yeah I don’t think that’s a threat, poorly worded maybe. The Trump one was hinting at it (because plausible deniability is how they work).
The point is that both sides have lost there minds. Trying to pretend that the Democrats are somehow less worse is silly. Call them out for what it is. That’s the only way you will see change.
Saying “your vote is private” isn’t a threat.
“But the fact that you voted is pubic record” implies “we’re paying attention and could hassle in some form those who abstain if we choose.”
(Well, that’d be the argument for “threat” in the above text anyway. Imo threat or not it’s poorly worded leading to it being creepy, but that’s probably the extent of it. I doubt we’ll see any side round up and execute abstainers or some crazy shit like that.)
Seriously?
What is implied depends on the tone in which it is said.
From the GOP that “whether or not you vote is public record” in a sudden red text, and “your family friends and coworkers will know”, along with fucking binoculars carries a very sinister tone.
The Dems “Thank you!” and “Please vote” does not. The whether you vote is public record looks to me pretty matter of fact. Why it’s even said is a bit out of place, which is what I said was poorly worded.
This is not “both sides same” like the other guy suggested.
Well, being read rather than said, I’d argue the tone is inferred by the reader.
And in any case, as a privacy focused individual, I’m not exactly crazy about either. I’m also not crazy about junk mail, so junk mail that implies it’s watching me in any form, I double don’t like. Y’all killing trees for this fucking bullshit?! No thanks.
Not sure which party, but I’ve been getting the same notice in the mail every ~3 days with this message and my voting record listed all the way back to 2016 for the past two weeks. Honestly not sure if it’s an attempt to intimidate me to vote a certain way because it sure is going beyond “people will know if you voted” to kind of insinuating they’ll know who I vote for. Fail point is I don’t know acronyms for political groups so I’m not sure which one they’re trying to get me to vote for lol
I can’t wait for when everyone’s data gets leaked. Both sides collect huge amounts of data and do highly targeted campaigns.
remember when the GOP trove got leaked in 2016? I downloaded that shit just to see what they had on me. They were wrong about a lot.