It appears Trump is going to be the next president of US. I’m not sure such a thread is needed in the first place, but here goes.
Feeling anxious? Desperate? Got the expected result?
What do you think went wrong? What do you think went right? What do you think the future holds?
EDIT: it’s official - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/us/results
Not American. Ukraine will fall. Taiwan will fall. Climate change will win. Everyone is fucked
And they were all murdered by American nazi Republicans.
Give credit.
I am trying to decide if Taiwan will fall. Trump has been pretty anti-China in rhetoic, and will look to cement his legacy on this term.
At the same time I can see him giving Taiwan away in an economic deal with China, who are on the ropes economically right now.
I think the stock market will probably crash at some point during the Trump admin.
I think the tariffs will cause a massive rise in prices.
I think the mass deportation scheme will end in death camps.
I think those death camps will grow to include lgbtq+ people.
I just keep stopping and crying.
Saddens me that the stock market is the first thing on your list.
We’re here for you though for the rest of it.
It’s only at the top because that’s what every person I know that voted for him cited as the reason. His economics.
I’m gay. I know I’ll end up in a camp.
We’re here for you pm me if you’re ever in trouble as a result of this election.
They didn’t vote because of the stock market. The stock market has been doing great. They voted because things are expensive and they are poor.
<3
What went wrong: the dnc. Running first biden, then harris. The two representative of a historically disliked administration. Not strictly their (harris/bidens) fault minus a few critical bits.
- you cant run a left wing campaign by swinging to the right
- you cant run a left wing campaign with no policies for the working class. No taxes on tips? Wtf is that? We already dont pay taxes on tips. 50k to start your own business? how many Americans do that? Fucking seriously? How about: minimum pto, minimum sick leave? Health care reform. How about taking fucking companies and china to task? She wouldnt even commit to keeping khan.
- you can’t run a campaign with a corporate carpet bagger and expect results.
- you cant run a campaign on abortion alone. Im sorry ladies, I fully support you in this but many others including women dont. when many states already protect you its not a deciding factor for harris. Congressional positions yes. But not presidential.
Harris expected people to fall in line with no incentives, because… Trump. And went out of her way to disenfranchise a minority group. Shrug hopefully the counting continues and Harris’ manages to surprise us.
Damn worked for the Aladin trailer vs movie. /s
Looking at the votes less people voted blue this year. Biden had 20mil more votes. Where dafuq these people go?
Mmm indeed. Would it be because harris offered them literally nothing in policies? And spent her campaign attacking students? Not directly mind you. Lets hope elections still matter in 4 years. Sigh i need to decide how im going to spend my time dealing with this.
Excuse me I’m speaking
Good lord lady. Next time listen. Well im looking forward to the punching left thats going to be coming. Or will we blame black men? Latino men? Oh well anyone but the candidate i guess.
Yup rather not show up and let dude with volatile polices come in and do his thing. That’s the crazy part is these people didn’t even vote third party in protest. They just didn’t care. So I guess climate change, trans and abortion right don’t matter to 20 million dem voters.
Harris’ campaign didnt offer them anything worth voting for. And many states already have portections on the books for abortion and those that dont have ballot measures that are likely going to pass. Oops!
Democrats wouldn’t even hear a simple call to have Harris stop mass murdering and you thought people would show up for her because of issues that dont impact them? A call that would have likely handed them at least Wisconsin.
Sure states have it but this should be protected and it was. Now having a miscarriage may have murder charges.
What’s he gonna take away next? Well that’s a non issue for 20 million people apparently. I know Harris was not going to take anything away.
Florida didn’t pass. Missouri did. I don’t know others. So don’t be pregnant in Florida I guess.
Yes, and did Florida have any chance of going blue? No? Oh maybe harris shouldn’t have placed her bets on abortion putting her on top.
Did Michigan go blue? No? Oh maybe we shouldn’t have been allowing harris to shit on the arab community.
Did Pennsylvania go blue? No? Oh maybe harris should have had a concrete policy positions like breaking up monopolies and passing laws on corporate greed.
If you look at Harris platform everything is pro corporate policy and none of it is for working Americans then add in bleeding arab support etc. oi. It adds up to a death from 1000 cuts.
100% agree with top 3 points and even the corpo crap the dems are. And I will always say f the dems but NEVER before the GOP.
The amount of damage from denying climate change is not even comparable to any bad policy that could be mention about Harris. There is literally no more snow on Mt.Fuji ! Better to have someone that may fix something here and there than someone that will actively destroy it.
It turns out the talking point of “voting 3rd party is a vote for Trump” that has been repeated for months does have the desired effect of disenfranchisement, the assumption that they would then vote Democrat is something I never understood.
Turns out 15 million people didn’t even vote third party. Just stayed home.
All that back and forth was just to keep the GOP out of power and not have a so called dictator day 1. Not sure how that specifically disenfranchised potential dem voters. Cause they weren’t going to vote dem anyways. I could list other stuff that certainly could have.
And to add, they could have voted and just not picked a president.
Instead they didn’t vote at all and we got a Republican Senate.
No, it’s directly Biden’s fault to a very real degree. Fuck Biden.
You are of course absolutely correct. My apologies.
I think it’s pretty clear that the people who wanted Trump never really changed or decreased much, and that now they’re calling the shots.
I don’t think there’s any value in going much deeper than that. They seem to have done it fair and square. There just weren’t as many people who supported Harris.
Not that many of their reasons are genuine, of course. The economy? Please. He’s awful for that, he swore he’d make things worse. We know what that looks like.
But they’re the majority this time. It’s almost a Reagan level victory. It’s exactly what he always wanted. And part of our system is this: if you get the votes then you’re allowed to dismantle things. Because you convinced enough of us to go along with it.
I’m not sure what the next steps are, really. It won’t be pretty. But blame doesn’t seem appropriate, and neither does any effort to “do the work” and learn to try harder next time. The system will not be the same and the tactics we’re familiar with are no longer relevant. Change is here and it’s the bad kind.
So what we need to figure out is how to adapt to whatever that change ushers in. We’ll have to acquire new ideals that fit within the new constraints and we’ll need to do what we can in the service of those, and we’ll have to accept the diminished nature of some of our ambitions.
What are our new values? What does it mean to throw away so much that we’ve made? Who are we going to become? Who will we be able to keep at our side? Who will we lose? Who will we betray?
We’ll find out.
I’m broken. I’m so tired of it and now I fear it’s really all over. It’s not 4 years, it’s a revelation. We really are full of irredeemable hateful idiots. I’m not ok. I fear for our queer brothers and sisters. I fear for our families and neighbors. For our future livelihoods.
I’m afraid we’re not all gonna make it out of this.
I don’t know if this is the tipping point. But it feels like a mountain has fallen, in my heart. I want to crawl away. When I was just getting myself together. These next four years will be hell on earth for me. I’m going back on my meds
As a non American, the only hope for the world is to let you guys sink and for the US to implode. EU should have realized that 8 years ago and plan accordingly to reduce dependencies but did not.
I can’t even fathom the fascism wave we’re going to get everywhere…
Why did we have to choose the dystopian future ?
The problem is that we’re going to take the rest of the world with us.
Money money money! 🙏.
One hundred percent. No sarcasm.
Gotta keep them lines going up
I feel bad for the palestinians, they don’t have much hope left.
Way to go tankies! You sure showed those damn Palestinians that Israel owns Gaza. Great work!
Stfu, the dems did this by pandering to the right. Excellent way to drive voter apathy.
Stfu, tankies did this 110%.
Also, fuck you for helping GENOCIDE Palestinians.
If “tankies” were such an important factor maybe the campaign should’ve done literally anything to get their vote
It’s fine, trump got your vote homeskillet. No need to be mad at me about it.
I actually voted for the other genocider on the ballot as well as my state did. I’m just trying to get you to place blame where it belongs instead on people voting their conscious.
I am placing blame squarely on the “both sides are the same” tankie style anti-thinking douchebags who precipitated this outcome and the future events it brings.
If you can’t handle that you can block me or move on to a fine tankie sub on which you can fellate Putin and Xi and any other despots you wish.
I just keep asking myself, “What are you supposed to do when your country falls into fascism?”
But even more so, I’m heartbroken for my distant relatives and everyone else in Ukraine.
Please, Europe–don’t let them fall.
Get out and get started with some grassroots activism
I’m physically disabled. I can probably write the emails people find so obnoxious.
To where, exactly?
Not snark, looking for possible suggestions?
What’s important to you? What’s worth fighting for? There’s probably other people already organized or organizing to fight for causes you believe in, and they need help
Not American. Sorry for you guys
Am American. Voted for Harris, not that it mattered in California.
I’m truly sorry to the rest of the world. We just fucked over everyone. Like however bad you think it’s going to be, it will probably be worse. I don’t know where anyone could possibly go to survive what is coming, because he’s going to plow through the last tipping points on climate change and ensure that the planet is an unliveable hell scape.
I’ve hated this entire election year because the MAGAs are riled up and I’ve been getting harassment for masking, being vaxxed, and (apparently) looking queer.
(I am queer, but I went back to presenting as a cishet woman ages ago. I don’t know what their deal is)
Yesterday a guy came into work with a confederate flag tattooed across his scalp. They might as well scream everywhere they go that they support slavery.
I’d love to get on T while it’s still legal but the only gender clinic nearby got set on fire.
I think it’s only going to get worse now that they’re emboldened. Their hatred has once again been rewarded.
I feel like the not-right will just take it. Just accept things. Go into the concentration camp. Let the government be dismantled. Let laws be ignored.
The right wing is full of bad ideas and hate but they organize and sometimes riot.
Everyone else seems too busy infighting and being smug.
Do you want to start the direct action to disrupt their agenda or should I? If we do that, our lives are over. If we don’t do it, our lives may be over at a later date or it may only make it unpleasant.
There lies the problem. You have to have enough people willing to give it all and this country does not allow for that because at every moment we are desperately trying to survive. Hard to fight back from that position.
I was thinking about this, and how it’s hard to organize without being infiltrated by cops or bootlickers.
And yeah as much as I want to thanos snap away the right wing, I don’t want to die or go to jail.
But somehow the right wing got a whole riot going for their Jan 6 insurrection. They’re not any richer. Just more hateful and stupid.
Those investigating those sorts of actions lean rightwing. Those encouraging the right wing are very rich and have a lot of reach with their message. And yes, hate is very effective and easy to build a group. Doesn’t last though. But who cares about that? Once they’re in power they can lock it in and oppress the people who just voted for them to ensure they can never change it. Weeeee
I didn’t have any hope for carbon neutrality in the first place. My hope was for more of maybe a “falling with style” path to self-destruction for humanity, and not a head-first dive into the concrete.
That said, I’m 36, male, white and blue collar, so is my family. I have no concerns over them, but I keep and hold my concern for the rest of America.
Politically, I consider America a lost cause. I am currently looking towards avenues to become less politically involved, if only because now with an entirely conservative government, I don’t see any real reason to care.
I’ll probably spend the next four years reading 40k lore.
When reading 40k is the less grimdark option
At least the Emperor has a plan to become a new Chaos God, this dip shit thinks his hamburger eating ass isn’t dead in a decade regardless.
I’m fucked man. I’m disabled and can’t work, I just got disability benefits approved. I’ve known since 2016 that no “progressive” country will accept a disabled immigrant as a citizen even if they can work. I checked again today and nothing has changed. I stumbled on a reddit thread chastising an OP with autism (plus children with disabilities) for being in a similar position as me and bemoaning it, because why would a country accept a disabled person who doesn’t benefit them after all, fuck disabled people reddit says. I can’t even use my back pay to move countries since no one wants me. I wanted to either invest my back pay or use it to move countries if shit hit the fan, which is so out of reach now. Both of my parents are from Puerto Rico so there is no ancestral place I can run to. I never completed college because of my disability which appeared when I was a teenager and gets worse every year. My (not married and able-bodied) partner’s ancestry is China and I told them they should move countries without me to get away but they want to stay with me even if it means being in this hellhole. I want to have a child when I am ready, but I am scared of a national ban on abortion which would endanger me if I was pregnant. My future feels over. So yeah, my depression and anxiety are in overdrive. Feeling desperate.
My state voted Kamala, they always vote for the conservative democrat and are worth very little electoral votes, insignificant really. I consistently voted Bernie, begrudgingly democrat, and this time around for PSL. My vote doesn’t matter, I know that because of the way the electoral college is setup. Every local progressive I voted for lost to a conservative democrat. This time around there were no progressives on the ballot that I could root for, only democrats I have zero faith in that I voted for anyway. Most of the people around me do not vote because they they think it does not matter and everything is rigged. I mean it doesn’t really matter I guess since Kamala won my state anyway and lost but fuck man. Shit is looking really bleak for me. I wish Bernie or De la Cruz won but that is just a pipe dream I guess. Kamala never inspired me, she wasn’t really a progressive leftist and I did not think she would fix the country. Only maintain the status quo. I can only hope for a revolution now.
MLK Jr was a radical with socialist ideas. There’s so many quotes to choose from during his later years but this seems most apt for me for now:
“If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God’s children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell.”
We’re all (earth) gonna get all the ugly that happened 100 years ago on the nose and everyone who voted for trump or didn’t vote at all will wonder why. Market crash Ww3 Interment camps Greatest depression
An uninhabitable planet.
Feeling like Kassandra. All the data showed that this was a possible scenario but both far-leftists and libs thought it was over-reacting.
feeling like Cassandra for having correctly predicted a 50/50 call where everybody knew it could go both ways
No. Because nearly everyone around refused to take the possibility of a fascist win seriously and they still refuse to take the impending consequences seriously. People are still talking about “whether the Dems will learn anything and have a good candidate next election” as though the fascists haven’t literally said that they are going to end democracy and commit genocide.
I’m tired, boss.
I’m tired too, friend. I was staunchly in it to keep things going awhile longer while everyone was getting their shit together, but the war is lost now, and honestly? I don’t really plan on making it out alive.
Too many morons lived through the dark times of his first term, saw the horrible things he did and said, saw how unfit he was for any office position at all, among many many MANY other matters that would prevent a normal person from running, and still chose to vote for him. By a majority this time, no less. I… think I’m done.
Do remember that it was the majority of those who voted, not the majority of the populace. Right-wing politics have been in the minority and declining for some time but holding on through cheating the electoral system and making the House of Representatives not proportional as it was intended.
Try to help your fellow people, as you can, even if it’s telling shitty jokes. I try to take some comfort in the fact that authoritarian governments are unsustainable and always fall eventually. Whether we make it through alive or not, we can try to make things better for those who come after us.
everyone around refused to take the possibility of a fascist win seriously
I don’t who’s “everyone around you” but on the internet the possibility of a fascist win was taken very seriously and was kind of the only conversation subjects in the last couple months.
Huh? Leftists were telling everyone harris campaign was trash… Stop with this nonsense.
We’ll be here helping manage the shit show thats going to follow.
But you also didn’t offer a constructive alternative to a Trump presidency.
I know you’re all on your anti-genocide high horse by abstaining from the vote, but the silence from the far left has allowed the exact same genocide to continue in Gaza, along with the potential genocide of minority groups in your own country.
So, bravo. As a leftist myself, I hope you feel the brunt of this presidency more than those who tried to fight it.
My state went for harris as i said it would. Ive said repeatedly harris’ campaign was horrible due to its lack of populist labor policies etc. but yes, the genocide and complete shutdown of student protestors was a massive issue.
I didnt bury my head in the sand. Now what are you going to be doing these next 4 years to fix this? I know what ill be doing.
There was no constructive alternative to offer. Trying to brow beat people to harris wouldn’t work and the dunces for harris wouldn’t hear anything. Not even an ask to stop a fucking genocide. Get it now? People wouldn’t even hear a simple call to stop fucking mass murdering people. Never mind anything more nuanced.
Nah. Plenty of anti-electoralists/accelerationists were happy to spread propaganda to help Trump. Now, as a far-leftist that doesn’t buy that tripe, I’m gonna have to try to help people whose lives are now in far greater danger while they get off on their “moral superiority”. Those people and Stein supporters can go fuck themselves while the grown-ups try to save people from the intended death camps.
EDIT: I didn’t mean “regular” leftists like progressives and anarchists.
laugh go look at the numbers stein did jack shit. Keep burying your head in the sand.
Pennsylvania:
You refused to hear a call to stop a genocide you think you would have down anything remotely useful to shift harris on things like labor rights, healthcare, non competes, and monopoly busting ala khan?
Your problem was turnout. And you wouldnt even hear the call to save Wisconsin for harris. Probably the only state where 3rd party candidates did matter.
Your problem was turnout.
Turnout always is the problem. The anti-Harris propaganda was intended to discourage voters, and it worked. Congrats.
And you wouldnt even hear the call to save Wisconsin for harris. Probably the only state where 3rd party candidates did matter.
No “you” here. I’m a pragmatic voter and anarchist who in the course of a day has gone to an extremely high chance of losing loved ones through state-sponsored murder, political violence, and suicide. So, you’ll excuse me if I don’t give a fuck about the pretend “moral high-ground” of those claiming to care about genocide while putting their fingers on the scale for “turbo genocide”, greater inaccessibility to health care, more monopolies, and more union busting.
100%. Now we have a president who historically hasn’t paid small businesses because they can’t afford to fight it, promoting actual hate crimes, and all too happy to appoint more Christian Conservatives who loathe, and I mean fucking despise queer people.
People didn’t even need to vote for the President to prevent a Republican Senate, but no.
I’ve already seen suicide posts (with confirmed bodies) in my local groups and there’s people here commenting that America needs to kill itself and nothing of value will be lost.
I’m at my wits end with it all. I understand not wanting to vote for Harris, I’m from Oakland. I don’t understand not caring that Republicans control Senate, Supreme Court, and presidency. I do not understand not caring that these are politicians who have actively called for violence. I do not understand being amenable to “cleaning up the mess Democrats left us”, when we had the power to fix this by voting, and it just wasn’t worth it to 20 million, fucking 120 million people.
“But Harris Bad because she’s a billionaires president anyway” meanwhile 2016 regulations decimated against corporations who pollute, tax cuts beyond belief and Covid skyrocketing billionaires wealth.
“But Harris genocide” meanwhile Donald “finish the job” Trump’s previous administration assassinating starting the whole genocide in the first place
“But Harris no policies” meanwhile Trump campaigning on deporting political protestors supporting Gaza along with minorities regardless of citizenship
“but the DNC needs to learn its lesson”. Well, the lesson will be learned from the individuals who have already killed themselves, the individuals who will suffer at the state level without any federal protections, our generations will suffer from education policies out into place from people like Betsy DeVoss, the sister to Blackwater’s Erik Prince, and we will be lucky if Americans aren’t ripped from their homes for being someone the conservatives don’t like.
No one can blame the Harris Campaign for not voting in the local elections, because your ballot is more than just your presidential vote. The sad fact of the matter is that even if every single Democratic vote was a third party instead, the results would be the same. Because people. Didn’t. Vote.
