Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

Last weekā€™s thread

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

  • o7___o7@awful.systems
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    Oh man where to begin. For starters:

    • Sentience is overrated
    • All communication is manipulative
    • Assumes intelligence has a ā€œvalueā€ and that it stacks like a Borderlands damage buff
    • Superintelligence operates in the world like the chaos god Tzeench from WH40K. Humans canā€™t win, because all events are ā€œjust as plannedā€
    • Humanity is therefore gormless and helpless in the face of superintelligence

    It just feeds right into all of the TESCREAL nonsense, particularly those parts that devalue the human part of humanity.

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      Sentience is overrated

      Not sentience, self awareness, and not in a parĻ„icularly prescriptive way.

      Blindsight is pretty rough and probably Wattā€™s worst book that Iā€™ve read but itā€™s original, ambitious and mostly worth it as an introduction to thinking about selfhood in a certain way, even if this type of scifi isnā€™t oneā€™s cup of tea.

      Itā€™s a book that makes more sense after the fact, i.e. after reading the appendix on phenomenal self-model hypothesis. Which is no excuse ā€“ cardboard characters that are that way because the author is struggling to make a point about how intelligence being at odds with self awareness would lead to individuals with nonexistent self-reflection that more or less coast as an extension of their (ultrafuturistic) functionality, are still cardboard characters that you have to spend a whole book with.

      I remember he handwaves a lot of stuff regarding intelligence, like at some point straight up writing that what you are reading isnā€™t really whatā€™s being said, itā€™s just the jargonaut pov character dumbing it way down for you, which is to say he doesnā€™t try that hard for hyperintelligence show-donā€™t-tell. Echopraxia is better in that regard.

      It just feeds right into all of the TESCREAL nonsense, particularly those parts that devalue the human part of humanity.

      Not really, there are some common ideas mostly because tesrealism already is scifi tropes awkwardly cobbled together, but usually what tescreals think is awesome is presented in a cautionary light or as straight up dystopian.

      Like, thereā€™s some really bleak transhumanism in this book, and the view that human cognition is already starting to become alien in the one hour into the future setting is kind of anti-longtermist, at least in the sense that the utilitarian calculus turns way messed up.

      And also I bet thereā€™s nothing in The Sequences about Captain Space Dracula.

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        I hear you. I should clarify, because I didnā€™t do a good job of saying why those things bothered me and nerd-vented instead. I understand that an author doesnā€™t necessarily believe the things used as plot devices in their books. Blindsight a horror/speculative fiction book that asks ā€œwhat if these horrible things were trueā€ and works out the consequences in an entertaining way. And, no doubt thereā€™s absolutely a place for horror in spec fic, but Blindsight just feels off. I think @Soyweiser explained the vibes better than I did. Watts isnā€™t a bad guy. Maybe itā€™s just me. To me, it feels less Hellraiser and more Human Centipede i.e. hereā€™s a lurid idea that would be tremendously awful in reality, now buckle up and letā€™s see how it goes to an uncomfortable extent. Thatā€™s probably just a matter of taste, though.

        Unfortunately, the kind of people who read these books donā€™t get that, because media literacy is dead. Everyone Iā€™ve heard from (online) seems to think that it is saying big deep things that should be taken seriously. It surfaces in discussions about whether or not ChatGPT is ā€œaliveā€ and how it might be alive in a way different from us. Eric Schmidtā€™s recent insane ramblings about LLMs being an ā€œalien intelligence,ā€ which donā€™t call Blindsight out directly, certainly resonate the same way.

        Maybe Iā€™m being unfair, but it all just goes right up my back.

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      I, too, have done the ā€œall communication is manipulativeā€, but in the same way as one would do a bar trick:

      all communication is manipulative, for any words I say/write that you perceive instantly manipulate (as in the physical manner / modifying state) your thoughts, and this is done so without you requesting I do so

      itā€™s a handy stunt with which to drive an argument about a few parts of communication, rhetoric, etc. because it gives a kinda good handle on some meta without getting too deep into things

      (although there was one of my friends who really, really hated the framing)

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        Explaining in detail is kind of a huge end-of-book spoiler, but ā€œAll communication is manipulativeā€ leaves out a lot of context and personally I wouldnā€™t consider how itā€™s handled a mark against Blindsight.