• socsa@lemmy.ml
      1·
      9 months ago

      That’s not necessarily true though. A person who really wants to get with someone who has turned them down, goes over when they are vulnerable, knowing they are vulnerable, and plies them with alcohol - that’s still potentially assault. If both parties are drunk, the presumption is not explicitly rape like it would be if there was such a power imbalance, but it isn’t a free pass either.

      If your sex partner is intoxicated, it will always raise the stakes, regardless of whether you are also intoxicated. It means you need to be very sure this person wants to sleep with you.

      • Lanthanae@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        2·
        9 months ago

        I think you’re misunderstanding what I meant but that may be my fault.

        Would “Two people of equal drunkness can do whatever under the same terms and conditions as two non-drunk people” be better?

          • EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world
            1·
            9 months ago

            No.

            Being able to consent means being able to both understand what you’re consenting to and being able to communicate that you consent to it.

            A drunk person can’t understand what they’re consenting to and, after certain levels of drunkenness, can’t communicate their consent either. Therefore they can’t consent. You, being sober, should know this and therefore shouldn’t take advantage of them. If you do take advantage of them, then that makes you a rapist.

            As the other commenter pointed out, I hope the women around you know you’re not a safe person to be around.

              • EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world
                1·
                9 months ago

                You do realize that there are different levels of drunkenness right

                Literally re-read what I said.

                So a person who drank one beer can not consent anymore, is that what you are telling me?

                If the person can’t handle the beer then it cannot consent. If you’re sober and they’re drunk then you are raping them.

                There’s 2 questions that must be asked in these situation

                1. did she consent to it before being drunk?

                2. is she capable of still understanding what’s going on and guve/remove consent?

                If the answer to any one of these is “no”, “wellll”, “idk”, “I think/guess so”, or anything other than a very clear yes then she can’t consent. And when in doubt, assume the answer is no.

      • Lanthanae@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        51·
        9 months ago

        So since I don’t drink I can’t hookup with drunk girls?

        No. Also I hope the women you know are aware that you are not a safe person to be around.