Of course, not Tomi Lahren though…

  • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
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    Fun Fact: Rot Brain Peterson has, on the record, unironically advocated that “society needs to work to make sure men are married” so they don’t become violent.

    And he says feminists are the ones besmirching masculinity.

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      Incredible, he’s infantilized men into big dangerous toddlers that throw a violent fit when they don’t get what they want.

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        The best part is his incel base ate it up and assumed he meant government-issued sex slaves, so he clarified that he just meant society, aka the literal patriarchy, needs to shame the very idea of not being in a monogamous hetero couple so hard it is socially unacceptable to do anything else (you know, again)

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        To be fair it’s a really bad sign for the stability a country if there is a large population of unemployed men.

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          Yeah I don’t know why people keep ignoring that, they are prime material for radicalization, fascism loves them, they are his foot soldiers. And ignoring them and mocking them clearly doesn’t work.

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            Giving them women to abuse also doesn’t work for women. We get that some old men in charge prefer it though

            We met and discussed it and we’ve rejected the proposal from Peterson and those like him that violent men be just our problem. Time to address the toxic masculinity on a society wide scale, including the disgusting incentives we’ve allowed to arise under capitalist patriarchy… or collapse and burn. Your choice

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              What a stupid mindset. Who is actually brain damaged enough to think that women are going to be handed out like food stamps? People like you have some deranged fantasies. No, the actual suggestion that Peterson gave is that society should find ways to reintegrate these young men and one of these ways is encouraging marriage, as the benefits it has on the well being of men (and women) is pretty well documented. The dating habits that are going now are not healthy, and both genders are losing.

              Time to address the toxic masculinity on a society wide scale, including the disgusting incentives we’ve allowed to arise under capitalist patriarchy

              Literally meaningless drivel.

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                  What? Nobody is suggesting that marriage is a treatment for mental health. That’s stupid. The proposal here is that marriage gets young people of both genders reintegrated into society by essentially giving them a goal and a purpose. Instead of doing nothing all day, they get to love, grow, and serve their own families. There’s a reason why marriage has been such a powerful institution for centuries.

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            These men are not just poor souls, that simply haven’t met the right woman yet. These are socially incompetent men, that turn their frustration into hate. They’re basically the Principal Skinner meme “Am I wrong? No, it’s all the women who are wrong!”.

            What can you realistically do about that? Maybe schools could try to do a better job to integrate them, but even that is dubious.

            You are not wrong in the analysis, but let’s be honest, there has always been this breeding ground. And at least today, they want to be in that position. They could better themselves at any point, but they choose to self-victimize. That’s not a thing politics can change.

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              Politics can help set up the incentivizes in place to reintgrate these men into society, however, the change is fundamentally a social one. Treating them as an enemy is not going to work and doing nothing is not going to work either. Having a good chunk of the military aged male demographic unemployed, unhappy, and desperate is a sure sign of incoming chaos for a society.

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                Having a good chunk of the military aged male demographic unemployed, unhappy, and desperate is a sure sign of incoming chaos for a society.

                They are largely not unemployed. And their unhappiness is self inflicted. That’s the thing, you can’t force these people out of their shells. They put themselves their.

                Also, nobody hates them. This is again this weird self-victimization. Most people simply don’t care about them, because apart from some mass shooting or online-bullying now and then, they don’t matter at all.

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                  My point is that we are heading in the wrong direction, and we should do something about it before we get to that point if we did then historical trends tell us that we’re going to some dark times. I would’ve agreed with you if this issue was only affecting an insignificant number of men, but it’s not. The amount of young men who are in this position is big enough to the point where this is genuine societal issue that needs to be addressed.

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                    No, it’s only getting more reported and the reasons shifted.

                    It used to be religious fundamentalism, political radicals, sects, etc. Now it’s the more straight forward form of radicalism, but the root is the same and the numbers didn’t change drastically over night.

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      Military aged men (usually aged late teens to mid 40s) have historically been the drivers of society. If a significant chunk of this demographic feels lost, hopeless, and close to the brink, then that’s when all hell breaks loose. From insane crime rates to extremism to war to riots to revolutions to you name it. I don’t think Peterson is suggesting that society should do mandatory marriages or anything like that. He’s just pointing out that the data shows that marriage improves the happiness and quality of life for men (and women), and it will be a net benefit to society to try and increase the marriage rates as opposed to doing nothing and keeping the current trends going.

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        Don’t you think that group also contains homosexuals, transgender, etc, who have a much harder standing in “our society”? Or what about people who just don’t work monogamous?

        Shaming them into (hetero) marriages doesn’t make them happier.

        With an intolerant society, there will always be unhappy people.

        So IMO the only way to evolve would be to become fully tolerant and just let people be who they want to be without having to fear, that someone else condemns them for who they are.

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          A good start would be getting people to learn how to socialize properly. Either by creating programs for young people to meet up and do stuff together or by restructuring the education system to place a bigger emphasis on co-ed socialization. There’s an uncomfortably large amount of people who do not know how to socialize. By that I mean they’re really clueless. They don’t know how to carry a conversation or how to properly react to situations or understand basic social etiquette or ask somebody out that they find attractive or anything really. I’ve seen a lot of these people when I was in university, and they are as awkward as they sound. It’s not just anecdotal either, the loneliness pandemic is backed up by data. There’s huge chunk of people with few or no friends and this demographic is growing. If we can find ways as a society to encourge young people to socialize again, the benefits will be huge. Their mental health would improve, their confidence would get a boost, their social circles will expand, and from their new social circles they have greater opportunities to meet a partner.

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        I don’t get why you’re getting so much hate. The statement boils down to people need to be invested in their society, or society isn’t stable.

        People with families want stability, want to make society better, care about the community more. That’s not to say people without families don’t, but the incentives are there for people with families.

        So when talking about entire populations, pointing out the statistically populations with large numbers of uncommitted men are less stable, shouldn’t be controversial