These folks don’t deserve sympathy when karma comes knocking, they are akin to mass murderers. The media can fuck right off

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    now if you apply the same logic to food, shelter, education, and the other necessities of basic life, you’ll see why socialists exist, and understand why all wage labor under capitalism is a form of slavery

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      My opinion: correct, I agree

      Objective reality: rights are essentially made up opinions you can make a good argument for

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        Rights are things that the majority of the populace believes, to be true sentiments, but usually is blocked by bureaucracy that profits off the lack thereof.

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    A better way to communicate this imo is to say Healthcare should under no circumstances be a capitalist market driven (or influenced) commodity. Ever. In any way, shape or form.

    Saying it’s a human right (although I agree 100%) gives conservatives a talking point because, “iT cOsTs MoNeY aNd ReSoUrCeS!”

    It’s not a market driven commodity. Full stop. Nobody has a desire for cancer treatments or radiation therapy. Nobody has a desire to shop around for competitor pricing when they break their leg.

    We need full socialized healthcare. No millionaires, no CEOs, no board of directors, no investors making millions. Just well paid doctors, nurses and support staff, with intelligent people making necessary decisions, not decisions for shareholders or profits.

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    Healthcare is only available due to our advanced nature as a society. It shouldn’t be considered a human right, it takes resources, education, and effort to achieve. It isn’t necessary, though as an advanced civilization we should make an effort to keep everyone as healthy as possible; it benefits our society directly.

    Safety, Freedom from harm, Freedom of expression, The right to pursue an education, all great human rights.

    Insurance, or companies who hedge bets against you - collecting, and then fighting to pay out – that should be HEAVILY regulated like the gambling industry. Sure, the odds are stacked against you - but Insurance companies should be REQUIRED BY LAW to follow doctors recommendations, whichever doctor you choose.

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      it takes resources, education, and effort to achieve

      Yeah. Duh. So fucking what?

      Freckly, you entire argument reeks of cowardice.

      Oh, and btw - healthcare as a right does not, in fact, prop up private health insurance. Dork. Like, literally the most logical path to healthcare as a right would be a single payer system. Which would abolish the companies gambling on my health.

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        Don’t work for, never have worked for, and family has never worked in any capacity for the medical industry whatsoever. Not medically adjacent, or connected with the medical industry in any way. I’m simply a pragmatist. Did you read anything I wrote or did you just react to the “It shouldn’t be considered a human right” without any regard for the rest of the context?

        Should you be forced to work in order to provide care to someone because they have a “human right” to healthcare? Which human right prevails there? The other persons right to healthcare, or your right not to be enslaved? How do you propose ensuring that everyone; all 8 billion people on earth, obtain that healthcare without forcing everyone into servitude?

        There aren’t enough doctors, medical professionals, or infrastructure to support healthcare as a human right. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t strive toward it, but it shouldn’t be labeled as such.

        I can see why this place’s followers are called Lemmings.

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          forcing everyone into servitude

          TLDR

          You aren’t proving me wrong. Only rich medical professionals use that exact phrasing.

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            Ah, truly a masterstroke of wit. ‘Cry harder’—so concise, so devastating. I can only stand in awe of your rhetorical prowess. You’ve bested me completely; I yield to your unparalleled intellect.