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Every time they get education, they keep moving to the left! 😭😭😭
Is like… “Man falsely get arrested, becomes a rAdICaL anarchist”
hmm… wonder why… 🤔
Doesn’t everybody?
Because somehow education includes gender and social studies.
Imagine if they got educated in something useful instead. We need better batteries, so you’d think people would want to educate themselves about the research of batteries? Or literally any other STEM-field that might bring something useful and practical out of it.
Found the uneducated!
Hardly. I’m just unable to sympathize with the people who complain about “luxury-issues” just because they take our current infrastructure for granted.
We don’t need better batteries. We need a radical reform of our approach to public transportation, but your daddy Elon sabotaged railways with his Hyperloop vaporware and remote working with his yuppie-like 80-hours-a-week-in-the-office policy.
Is that some reference to my nick? I had this nick since before Tesla Motors existed, because i like scientists. If you can surgically remove yourself from your own ass you might understand which scientist it refers to.
Who said I have anything against public transportation? I’m from Sweden. We have it covered for now, but we need serious investment in our infrastructure, especially for maintaining our railways.
I don’t care for Musk in the slightest, he has shown that he is a tool of the highest caliber. I just know that when the waters start to rise, i’d rather have another welder, engineer, plumber rather than an English major or gender consultant.
All those categories aren’t going to help people communicate properly, better or deal with the glass ceiling in companies, all things that contribute to well-being and happiness. I’m a technical translator specialized in automotive texts. So, I’m bridging the gap between STEM and the humanities, you’re one of those tools who doesn’t see any value in the humanities.
🤓 I’m a real man and I love science and real men think about gender all the time. It’s scientifically proven that people are only worth what you can do for me. 🤓
Nice projection there. I hope you losers enjoy Trump, cause you deserve the stupidity of him.
Understanding peoples behaviors makes for better team cooperation. Humans are social creatures, our strength is not individual inteligence but the collective intelligence.
Then you have psychology or psychiatry and their various sub-specializations.
Psychology would be great to understand individual behaviors.
Yes? I’m not sure i understand your point.
I’m refering to the endless number of people, articles and videos saying that college educated people cant even get an interview for a job, let alone a steady employment due to their CHOICE of education. My first and very reasonable question barely gets answered is: “Well, what did they study?”
Turns out, mostly un-employable things like archeology, English/french literature, gender studies, communicator etc.
That being said, i certainly don’t feel that the more easily employable degrees necessarily bring any value to their communities. I dont know about the US, but in Sweden the most popular degree for youths today are economist. Simply because that’s the only way they feel that they will be able to earn enough money to not work anymore. Whilst i empathize with them, it doesn’t really bode well for the future if the educated people overwhelmingly work to enrich themselves.
Wow your message was delivered poorly, but there is a core concept hidden within it that I do agree with. Schools need to focus more on critical thinking skills rather than any particular topic. Because those can be applied to anything.
Ever since standardized testing rolled around school has become more about teaching kids to memorize something and to not try if they don’t know and just move on rather than allowing them to get something wrong but engage in critical thinking.
Instead of memorizing random formulas in math class that you may or may not use in your daily life especially now that it’s literally guaranteed that there’s 15 calculators within 5 ft of you at all times including one in your pocket. It would be more useful to teach specific types of math that encourage critical thinking like say ROI calculations, something that literally everyone can and should be using in their daily lives for even just basic shopping but virtually nobody knows what that even means.
That’s what you got out of his comment? It seemed to be that he was promoting a job training curriculum rather than education.
No that’s what I turned it into, the core part that I agreed with was that how we educate needs to change. I then took that and moved it to my concept on critical thinking skills being the most important thing
An educated citizenry is required for a well functioning democracy that benefits that citizenry. That is not in the interest of republican politicians and their benefactors.
*sounds of Lenin*
Let’s not act as if Republicans are the only ones doing this mate.
Did Democrats start pushing to defund public schools and offer “vouchers”? I must have missed that.
Yeah this is one of the cases where Republicans are clearly the bad guys
Around 40% of dems support this openly. The rest implicitly.
So they did everything they could to improve education whenever they were in power?
Do you even know who is on your local school board?
“both sides are bad”-ism is what made trump win the election
No, Democrats being ineffectual corporate stooges for 50 years is what gave Trump the opportunity to win.
That definitely justifies people not stopping a fascist from getting elected. It’s not like he said he would be a dictator out loud or anything, am I right?
Jesus Fucking Christ… it should not be the job of any political party to have to tell people to not let the fascist dictator win.
I mean, you can say that but it’s clearly not reflective of reality so what’s the point in maintaining that kind of thinking? Fascism doesn’t scare people the way you think it should which means your view on it is the outlier, not theirs.
Then maybe blame the people who aren’t scared of fascism for allowing a fascist to get elected and not expect a political party to teach them basic fucking history.
Politics isn’t about history or knowledge. It’s about popularity and perception. You should know that by now. Democrats are perceived to be ineffectual and their policy positions are poorly communicated at best. Republicans have simple messaging and they respond to their voters. You can disagree all you like with what they’re saying but it doesn’t mean that their voters are suddenly going to start sharing your values. They aren’t afraid of fascists or fascist rhetoric no matter how many different ways you come up with to insist that they should be.
votes for the Republican anyways
We can’t hire Americans **because they expect to be paid properly
Also the beauty of H1B visa people is that because they have to leave the country (or find another job) in 30 days in the even that they get fired, it means they are perfect for assholes like that billionaire. “Agree to do this or go back to that shit hole”
I sort of remember for Trump’s first term, one of his campaign promises was to set a salary minimum for H1B workers. Out of a thoroughly insane agenda, that was the one policy I liked, because it returned that program to its intent - hiring specialized experts that can’t be found here.
Of course, he didn’t follow through and do it.
if you need a school you’ve already lost (Elon Musk)
Yet he’s the richest man on Earth.
He’a the best argument against capitalism as a meritocratic system.
Weird do filters not catch quotes?
Found out the hard way.
My sensitive eyes!
if you need a school you’ve already lost (Elon Musk)
I wonder how he got them there bachelor degrees? Hmm?!
I don’t know much about his lore but I wouldn’t be surprised if he spun his to portray himself as a gifted talent stifled by the school system
“We can’t educate Americans if we want to keep winning elections”
“What do you need an education for anyway? I didn’t have an education and look at me now; I’m president of the United States!”
It’s the government’s job to educate the masses! But not like that! And not with my money!
The continuation of the piss poor US income distribution and 3rd World working conditions.
They want what’s best for them, not what’s best for us. Cheap, loyal labor from countries worse, off than ours is ideal.
Let the Americans eat paste.
And we hate immigrants, but we need all these H1B visas because we don’t want to educate our own citizens to do the jobs that support the middle class. Then we will scapegoat those people and accuse them of being the problem.
Or, god forbid, give people citizenship after a year or two.
Isn’t muskrat worth like 400bill? He could put 200,000 kids through college all 4 years at 50k/year (which many schools fall under mind you but let’s be conservative).
He’d have 300bill left.
Edit: lol he’s worth 486bill so he could do the above and be worth 386bill more or less assuming literally no exceptions to 50k a year. He could probably pit half million through for that with minimal effort.
It should simply not be legal to have more money than you could possibly spend in your lifetime.
Is my math wrong? I don’t see how, in your scenario, it would cost him 100 billion. It wouldn’t even cost him 1 billion. 200k (students) x $50k/year x 4 years = $40 million.
Edit: Ok yeah my math is wrong but still not that wrong. It’s $40 billion. (That’s what I get trying to do the Calc in my head). Still not $100 billion though. He could put 500k kids through school in your scenario for it to cost him 100 billion.
My bad messed up a zero. Thanks!
That’s what I got, too. The person you’re responding to seems to have mixed up orders of magnitude. Like I get it, 400m is still unfathomably wealthy, but he has a thousand times that.
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Musk should be kept far away from the health insurance industry.
Fash already control nearly every aspect of the indoctrination system: nationalism, capitalism, racism, patriarchy, etc.
Although I agree with the sentiment of this meme it has one thing wrong.
Americans aren’t interested in getting educated. At least not in the subjects that are relevant.
Americans prefer going to school for fun and majoring in stuff like business administration and communications, or the plethora of other majors that are fully saturated with people.
STEM majors and jobs scare most Americans away and this is a problem. There are also a ton of high paying labor jobs in America but the majority of Americans want nothing to do with labor and would rather have an office job.
Look I am not saying billionaires are right, because they aren’t. Fuck them. However youngsters today growing up need to be more involved in understanding how the labor market works and become educated in the skills that actually matter. It isn’t so much a lack of education. It’s there, it’s just that most people aren’t interested in being educated in the right skills.
I got a computer science degree because I got into computers as a kid and I was good with them. When I apply for a job it feels like like I’m competing with half the planet. It took 2 years to get the current job I have at an MSP and I’ve been applying for new jobs for a year now. I can count the times I’ve been contacted by recruiters over the past year on one hand. There’s plenty more in my boat. If we’d known we probably would have had a different major.
I did labor before landing a job with an MSP by the way. I’m in my early 30s with back, neck, and hand problems now and pain that radiates into my hips and legs. You don’t get out of labor jobs unscathed.
IT is a weirdly hard field to break into these days, and climbing the ladder can be difficult as employers generally don’t want to take a risk on someone who hasn’t worked in helpdesk/sysadmin/security/etc. before. Once you get your first role with the job title you want it’s 20 times easier to get your second one.
The job market also sucks right now. 1-3 years ago it was amazing and I landed interviews I should not have landed simply because places couldn’t get candidates, but now I’ve been laid off and spent 3 months and about 40 applications and ultimately took the first offer I got (it was also the second place to call me to interview)
Computer science is a massive world. It’s true that even the computer world is saturated. All of India is competing with you. But keep in mind those are commodity roles that are easy to outsource and fill. There are plenty of roles like cyber security and many others that they can’t or won’t outsource. You may just be in the wrong sector.
As for labor jobs I get it. They suck. But the world needs laborers and LOTS of them pay very very well.
So many republicans complain immigrants are stealing our jobs except these are all labor jobs that Americans don’t want, and now they want to kick them out of the country so no one is doing those jobs at all.
I really don’t know what else to tell people. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. People are quick to blame billionaires and while they are right to do so they are only just one of the many variables at play.
The biggest variable at play is that Americans aren’t aligning to the job market.
Honestly, I would love to get into security. Too bad all the hiring managers pulled the ladder up. No one is willing to teach or train anymore even though they all had the ability to learn on the job. I tried getting into security, programming, and even sys admin positions, but they all require a ridiculous amount of experience for entry level. Even the internships I applied to for programming expected me to create fully functional programs for the interview. I have more than enough knowledge and experience for a beginning sys admin job. Even though my title is help desk we are extremely understaffed so I handle high level stuff everyday. I don’t even get a response when I apply to those positions.
Also, it’s true labor jobs pay well, but they have inconsistent hours and destroy your body. Our body’s aren’t designed for constant tool use. Vibration and constantly gripping things wrecks your hands. Lifting and carrying things is hard on your back and joints. Most labor jobs are 1099 positions as well so it doesn’t matter if you make less than a full time minimum wage position would in a year, you’ll still be expected to pay back over 30 percent of your wages in taxes. That’s fine if you own a company, but it shouldn’t be allowed for a general laboror.
There’s a surplus of STEM labor. It’s the trades which are short.
I agree with the general sentiment that STEM scares a lot of Americans.
When I would tell other young women I was an engineering major, I would often hear a similar refrain - “Oh, I could never do that!” And it drove me insane! I am not magically gifted at mental math, I can’t do differential equations in my head. And most engineers I know, whether American or foreign, can’t do those things either.
A lot of engineering isn’t about being freakishly gifted like Elon Musk pretends. It takes gradual development of skills toward an end goal. First, you have to nail down the tools for the work (math, physics, chemistry), then you get to apply those tools to real-world problems. Engineering is problem solving, making mistakes, and being curious enough to keep going.
In short, engineering is about the long game. And didn’t become rewarding until around year 3 for me. I took some other classes in subjects to entertain myself and fill my schedule. In the disciplines of archeology, art history, and archetecture. And I called them my sanity classes. They were immediately satisfying, and made me feel like I was learning and not struggling or making those mistakes I made in engineering classes. I think most students enjoy the satisfaction of classes like that. The learning seems more instantaneous and less like a step on a ladder.
Sorry for the diatribe. In short, if you happen to read this as a young person and have the opportunity to study engineering - do it. Try not to go into debt for it, but don’t feel excluded because you aren’t the best at long division.
As for Musk, I’ve spoken with a few engineers who worked at his various companies. Everyone has left for other companies because he is a nightmare to work for. Yes, there are gifted engineers from other countries, but Musk wants employees that are tied to him and will work the slavish hours to earn a better life for the next generation of their families. A lot of American engineers are not willing to ignore their families like Musk himself clearly does. There are plenty of other space companies that pay well and aren’t run by sociopaths.
I took some other classes in subjects to entertain myself and fill my schedule. In the disciplines of archeology, art history, and archetecture.
At my school, the STEM people see these classes and GEs as useless classes that waste their time and money. I only know one other guy like me who enjoy these classes and see them as a sanity break. Happy to know there is another guy like us out there.
There are plenty of other space companies that pay well and aren’t run by sociopaths.
Mmm could you list a few? I feel like most are in defense. Unless you count the research side of the company. Like how Boeing bombs people but also does space exploration.
I’m a structural engineer, so I felt the extra classes kind of colored in the blank spaces in my civil engineering education.
As for other space companies not run by sociopaths… the joke about civils and mechenicals applies here. Mechanical engineers make bombs and civils make targets. I can’t speak to the ethics of the individual companies or their leaders. But I believe some of them are just focused on space exploration and not dominating in the name of whatever nation/egomaniac they are contracted to work for.
I’m obviously not super well versed in the space industry, but the friends I know have pivoted away from the big names (SpaceX, Boeing, Blue Origin etc) and toward smaller companies that specialize in an aspect of space flight. They tend to work on single one off projects that are subbed out by the big guys. From what I have heard, there is good money in these specialties and some great engineers work there. I know of Orbit Fab, Ursa Major, Vast, and Anduril.
Last time I checked, Anduril is a defense contractor who bombs people using drones.
Fair point, like I said I’m not in the industry and was just reciting companies I had heard of.
I don’t think there’s is a STEM worker shortage. IIRC, there have been something like 300k tech layoffs in the last couple years. Actual scientists and mathmeticians are extremely underpaid, but a lot of people like doing it, which is one of the reasons “citizen science” is becoming popular.
It’s not about being “educated” in “STEM”. That’s just a sterile euphemism for destroying any form of education that fosters revolt against a lifetime of serving capital.
going to school for fun
majoring in stuff like business administration
Pick one.
