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Railway passenger: Too few deaths in 2022 to calculate odds
But every suburbanite i know says the metro is too dangerous and that you’re likely to get stabbed by a methed up homeless man.
What are the chances I will die of a motor vehicle crash outside of my lifetime?
zero
But what about being in an accident after I’m already caput? Hmm? What about then?
A midsized college football stadium might hold about 70,000 people. Imagine going onto the loudspeaker and announcing “Seven hundred and fifty-three of the people here today are going to die in a car crash. Enjoy the game”
I wonder what are the odds for someone over 30 who has driving experience and training?
I ask because for motorcycles the first and second year riders make up most of the deaths
Not sure how Motorcyclist is different from Motor-vehicle crash.
Crazy that it’s more dangerous to be a pedestrian than a Motorcyclist. Are the pedestrian deaths not being counted as a motor-vehicle crash? I doubt that many people are dying from two pedestrians running into each other.
I’d guess it’s because they aren’t saying “all motorcyclists have a 1 in 722 chance of dying riding a motorcycle” they are saying “1 in 722 Americans will die in a motorcycle crash” while completely disregarding that only (making this number up) 80 of those 722 ever even rode motorcycles in the first place.
In other words, pedestrian deaths simply outnumber fatal motorcycle accidents because there are a lot more pedestrians than motorcyclists.
They made the distinction likely because it’s clearer that way as a statistic, as the severity of the crash is very distinct between that two mode of transport.
Also, it’s that low compared to pedestrian because the scale of it. In US commuting via motorcycle is around(or below) 5% according to a quick google search. Compared to country like Malaysia, where there’s equal amount of car and motorcycle on the road, it tell a different story. 6443 road death has been recorded in 2023, and of that 65% is motorcyclist.
Also the pedestrian incident meant pedestrian hit by motor-vehicle. Motor-vehicle crash mean car with car crashes, or hitting a tree.
Curious if the 1:3162 figure for bicycle deaths is significantly higher in the US than other nations. I guess that depends on whether or not people who die on bikes tend to be hit by cars.
Might actually be lower in the u.s. since no one’s bicycling any way. Even if deaths per mile cycled is significantly higher in the u.s. , if the total miles cycled is low then deaths will be low.
How perfectly normal
Either you die, or you don’t. That’s a 50% chance! So, if you’re feeling lucky, there’s no way you can lose!
Which is still lower than the chance that you’ll commit suicide. Or just simply die from a fall…or just from catching COVID.
So yeah. Pretty safe.
Which is still lower than the chance that you’ll commit suicide. Or just simply die from a fall…or just from catching COVID.
Assuming for the sake of discussion that this is all true, and I don’t see why it might not be…
So yeah. Pretty safe.
… this is still a non sequitur.
I’d take slight issue with this. Having untreated depression and working at heights are also dangerous but driving is by no means safe. As @[email protected] pointed out driving is safer in most other developed countries than it is in the USA. Simple behaviour and policy changes can make it substantially safer and the fact that drivers don’t take the danger of driving seriously is a huge factor making it more dangerous.
In Germany in comparison the chances to die in any traffic accident (car or no car) is 1 in 351. So year. Pretty much safer.
TIL There’s a category in the German death statistics named “Resulting from the insertion of a foreign object into a natural body opening.” And I’m only mildly disturbed. That killed 775 People in 2023 btw.
Does the insertion category include choking, or just…other things…?
It’s further divided into
- T15 Foreign object in the outer eye
- T16 … in the ear
- T17 … in the respiratory tract
- T18 … in the digestive tract
- T19 … in the urogenital tract
so it’s the whole package.
Huh. German efficiency…love it!
Since you brought it up, let’s dive into the numbers as presented[1]. The top all-cause is heat disease. A disease that’s preventable by moderate exercise (e.g. walking, biking, playing baseball, anything really) and avoiding common legal drugs (tobacco and alcohol being most implicated, but also most available).
Next up, cancer. Also a general class of disease that has many causes, but has also been shown that moderate exercise reduces cancer risk.
COVID and respiratory disease? Preventive measures like vaccines and, again, moderate exercise also reduce this risk. Oh, and cars are a factor in this category (long-term inhaling tailpipe emissions will make your lungs unhealthy).
Opioid overdose (1:55)? Suicide (1:87)? That’s somewhat self explanatory to fix, but good medical care and moderate exercise again helps.
Guns? That’s all cases of guns. Homicide (1:219) and suicide (1:159) by guns must be rolled up to get to the 1:89 figure. Homicide is a big issue to untangle, like suicide. That said, homicide has been linked to car infrastructure depressing local economies and as a tool in segregating black communities into unfit areas away from economically viable white ones.
Then we’re finally down to falls (1:92) and cars (1:93).
What can we take away from this? If you’re trying to reduce risk, go for a walk or ride a bike regularly. It’ll help you avoid heart disease, improve odds against respiratory diseases, and is a good tool for upping your mental health game. No need to trust me. I’m a dog with a keyboard. Talk to your doctor about it. You may be surprised how effective reducing drinking, stopping smoking, and going out for a walk every day can do.
Whoops, my bad. Pedestrian “incidents” (ran over by car) is the next cause (1:468). Cycling isn’t too far behind (1:3,162). Maybe we should continue to drive overhead bad parts of town, inhale our neighbor’s car fumes, and enjoy our near-guaranteed death by heart attack and choking.
[1] In the OP’s data source. It’s a good source, but it is US biased and biased in NHTSA’s reporting (e.g. person in hospital from a car, but died >30 days later? That’s natural causes.).
