eta: to degender your comment you could say “this person knows their junkies”
but being as you’ve been beaten over the head with the fact that the OP uses she/her pronouns that would also be misgendering her.
leaving it as using a masculine pronoun is rude at best and blatantly transphobic at worst. nobody thinks you were being actively harmful when you said it but not being willing to change it is toxic.
It can be used to refer to single people, and using a plural instead of a singular is a very common way for many languages to show deference to the person you’re speaking to. Like in Finland. English already did that and did it so much it got rid of the second person singular, as “you” is a second person plural. This ofc meant there was nowhere for English to go vis-a-vis showing deference, so English really stresses titles. Narcissism of small differences, really.
nobody thinks…
Based on the votes I’ll have to disagree and say you don’t really know what others think.
So, to reiterate, you would rather that I start using archaic stereotypes to think about people and language? I have to condition myself into thinking of everyone as either a boy or a girl, and always make a mental note to gender someone as soon as I make contact with them? The first thing I do should be to gender them? That’s your takeaway?
Maybe try reading my comments again, with some thought. You’re not the hero here.
incorrect, “they” can be singular or plural. that’s not even a recent “woke mind virus” change to the language, it’s always been the case.
you literally did gender her immediately when you said “guy … his” the appropriate thing to do would be to respect the pronouns she put on her profile when they were pointed out to you.
Thus it’s not a singular. It can be used as one, but it doesn’t specify a singular, thus it isn’t one. I can use a shovel as an axe, but it doesn’t make it an axe, even though both are tools for splitting wood.
“You” isn’t singular.
I’ll demonstrate how sorely you are wrong in this matter. If you can translate the following sentence to English without it losing meaning or misgendering someone, I’ll change my comment; “hänen autonsa.” Take care to notice it is not synonymous with “heidän autonsa”.
They can be, if they change their gender identity. Same way they’d become actors or waiters. Blame the 8 languages duct taped together that form English.
There’s no need. “An actor” / “a hero” is already a gender neutral term in common usage, no matter how archaic your inner world is or whatever conservative bumfucknowhere you live in.
So the male version of the word is the default? That’s sexist.
Sometimes common usage is wrong. That’s the whole reason society is having a discussion about pronouns and gendered language. You need to do better, no matter how archaic your inner world is or whatever conservative bumfucknowhere you live in.
Okay so what youre saying is that we should differentiate between male and female actors with specific words to… ensure heteronormativity in the way you see it? Despite feminists calling the exact opposite for several decades before you were even born?
Then, if we jump forward to the 1970s and 1980s, women began to choose the
term ‘actor’ instead of ‘actress’ as a direct result of the women’s movement
and an awareness of gender bias in language. Women began to take back the
term ‘actor’, and it’s often used today.
Zoë Wannamaker explains that in the 1970s and 1980s there was ‘a stigma’ – a
feeling that people disapproved – of being called an actress. This was because
the word actress seemed to have the ‘connotation’, or suggested meaning, of
being a prostitute
So just so you know, you’re insisting on implying all women actors to be whores. Sexist as fuck
You need to do better, no matter how archaic your inner world is or whatever conservative bumfucknowhere you live in.
They didn’t apologize, they doubled down with some of the most insipid bullshit about pronouns not existing in English and how they’re “depronouning english”, despite defaulting to using the masculine, instead of just saying “oh yeah, I didn’t see the name, I’ll edit my comment”.
about pronouns not existing in English and how they’re “depronouning english”,
So it’s rude of me to not see gender, but it’s not rude of you to purposefully misrepresent what I said?
“Depronouning”?
No. DISGENDERING. Ie, “if everyone treated English the same as me, you’d have nothing to scream about, because there’d be no distinction for you to complain about” as English would have evolved to the point where it left out unnecessary gendering. Like how it’s somewhat offensive to call women actors “actresses”, but also, some think it’s quite respectful. It very much depends on the context. For another actor, calling them an “actor” instead of “actress” would mean they’re being misgendered on purpose, when the other person is purposefully not using theunnecessarygendering of words, or in other words actively disgendering English.
So, is Natalie Portman an actor or an actress? **Either way you answer, I can still use the same bullshit highroading rhetoric you’re using rn to pretend like you’re intentionally misgendering them.
There is no gender-neutral singular third person pronoun in English. “They” isn’t singular. It’s plural. It’s not like I refuse to address people by their preferred pronouns. I simply did not look, and used “the default.” Now we can argue what “should” be the default, but you’re not gonna make my brain gender people or think of pluralities as singularities. I’ll address people in singular they and respect it if they choose to, but I’m not gonna default to it over you not liking how English doesn’t have a gender-neutral third person singular pronoun. We in Finnish do (“hän”), but it’s reserved for pets and polite conversation in the media. The colloquial way in Finnish is to refer to people as “it” (“se”), but as I’ve stated previously, I know how offensive the connotation in English can be. Swedish is trying to copy us an add a gender-neutral third person singular. English should attempt to as well. Like “shim”. Go on, influence English enough to change the default and I’ll adopt the new default. No biggie.
An appology doesn’t have to say sorry if they aren’t sorry dude. They explained it and hilariously the person minging about it the most immediately assumed the person you’re mad at’s gender which is just hilariously hypocritical.
oh yeah, I didn’t see the name, I’ll edit it my comment".
That’s literally what they said minus I’ll edit my comment. So what’s the benefit of editing the comment? Will it reverse time or remove context so you not rose will be less offended.
An apology does have to say sorry or it’s just an explanation. If they aren’t sorry, they’re not apologising, they’re just telling you what happened in a way that takes 0 responsibility.
I know all I need to about you from this one simple statement and now realise you’ll be too pig headed to approach this in any way other than antagonistically in a desperate attempt to browbeat the other person into submission. Because for you, it’s not about reaching consensus, it’s about your own ego.
You do you bro, I don’t care enough about anyone in this debate to bother responding anymore. Peace.
I wonder how long you had to scroll to find that one. Taking an overly literal definition instead of understanding the context and spirit of what an apology is: the last bastion of the guy who cares more about winning than being right.
they
eta: to degender your comment you could say “this person knows their junkies”
but being as you’ve been beaten over the head with the fact that the OP uses she/her pronouns that would also be misgendering her.
leaving it as using a masculine pronoun is rude at best and blatantly transphobic at worst. nobody thinks you were being actively harmful when you said it but not being willing to change it is toxic.
you’re not the hero here.
“They” is plural, not singular.
It can be used to refer to single people, and using a plural instead of a singular is a very common way for many languages to show deference to the person you’re speaking to. Like in Finland. English already did that and did it so much it got rid of the second person singular, as “you” is a second person plural. This ofc meant there was nowhere for English to go vis-a-vis showing deference, so English really stresses titles. Narcissism of small differences, really.
Based on the votes I’ll have to disagree and say you don’t really know what others think.
So, to reiterate, you would rather that I start using archaic stereotypes to think about people and language? I have to condition myself into thinking of everyone as either a boy or a girl, and always make a mental note to gender someone as soon as I make contact with them? The first thing I do should be to gender them? That’s your takeaway?
Maybe try reading my comments again, with some thought. You’re not the hero here.
incorrect, “they” can be singular or plural. that’s not even a recent “woke mind virus” change to the language, it’s always been the case.
you literally did gender her immediately when you said “guy … his” the appropriate thing to do would be to respect the pronouns she put on her profile when they were pointed out to you.
Thus it’s not a singular. It can be used as one, but it doesn’t specify a singular, thus it isn’t one. I can use a shovel as an axe, but it doesn’t make it an axe, even though both are tools for splitting wood.
“You” isn’t singular.
I’ll demonstrate how sorely you are wrong in this matter. If you can translate the following sentence to English without it losing meaning or misgendering someone, I’ll change my comment; “hänen autonsa.” Take care to notice it is not synonymous with “heidän autonsa”.
Go ahead. I’ll wait.
Also gendered language btw
So you’re saying you don’t believe women can be heroes?
That’s super sexist.
They can be, if they change their gender identity. Same way they’d become actors or waiters. Blame the 8 languages duct taped together that form English.
There’s no need. “An actor” / “a hero” is already a gender neutral term in common usage, no matter how archaic your inner world is or whatever conservative bumfucknowhere you live in.
So the male version of the word is the default? That’s sexist.
Sometimes common usage is wrong. That’s the whole reason society is having a discussion about pronouns and gendered language. You need to do better, no matter how archaic your inner world is or whatever conservative bumfucknowhere you live in.
The lemma is the default.
Okay so what youre saying is that we should differentiate between male and female actors with specific words to… ensure heteronormativity in the way you see it? Despite feminists calling the exact opposite for several decades before you were even born?
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/weekender/scripts/weekender_actor_070406.pdf
So just so you know, you’re insisting on implying all women actors to be whores. Sexist as fuck
You need to do better, no matter how archaic your inner world is or whatever conservative bumfucknowhere you live in.
What is projection alex?
You defending some guy who’s wrong for…reasons?
How could they be wrong? They apologized and explained that it isn’t intentional and why. What exactly do you need to be happy here, seppuku?
They didn’t apologize, they doubled down with some of the most insipid bullshit about pronouns not existing in English and how they’re “depronouning english”, despite defaulting to using the masculine, instead of just saying “oh yeah, I didn’t see the name, I’ll edit my comment”.
So it’s rude of me to not see gender, but it’s not rude of you to purposefully misrepresent what I said?
“Depronouning”?
No. DISGENDERING. Ie, “if everyone treated English the same as me, you’d have nothing to scream about, because there’d be no distinction for you to complain about” as English would have evolved to the point where it left out unnecessary gendering. Like how it’s somewhat offensive to call women actors “actresses”, but also, some think it’s quite respectful. It very much depends on the context. For another actor, calling them an “actor” instead of “actress” would mean they’re being misgendered on purpose, when the other person is purposefully not using the unnecessary gendering of words, or in other words actively disgendering English.
So, is Natalie Portman an actor or an actress? **Either way you answer, I can still use the same bullshit highroading rhetoric you’re using rn to pretend like you’re intentionally misgendering them.
There is no gender-neutral singular third person pronoun in English. “They” isn’t singular. It’s plural. It’s not like I refuse to address people by their preferred pronouns. I simply did not look, and used “the default.” Now we can argue what “should” be the default, but you’re not gonna make my brain gender people or think of pluralities as singularities. I’ll address people in singular they and respect it if they choose to, but I’m not gonna default to it over you not liking how English doesn’t have a gender-neutral third person singular pronoun. We in Finnish do (“hän”), but it’s reserved for pets and polite conversation in the media. The colloquial way in Finnish is to refer to people as “it” (“se”), but as I’ve stated previously, I know how offensive the connotation in English can be. Swedish is trying to copy us an add a gender-neutral third person singular. English should attempt to as well. Like “shim”. Go on, influence English enough to change the default and I’ll adopt the new default. No biggie.
An appology doesn’t have to say sorry if they aren’t sorry dude. They explained it and hilariously the person minging about it the most immediately assumed the person you’re mad at’s gender which is just hilariously hypocritical.
That’s literally what they said minus I’ll edit my comment. So what’s the benefit of editing the comment? Will it reverse time or remove context so you not rose will be less offended.
An apology does have to say sorry or it’s just an explanation. If they aren’t sorry, they’re not apologising, they’re just telling you what happened in a way that takes 0 responsibility.
I know all I need to about you from this one simple statement and now realise you’ll be too pig headed to approach this in any way other than antagonistically in a desperate attempt to browbeat the other person into submission. Because for you, it’s not about reaching consensus, it’s about your own ego.
You do you bro, I don’t care enough about anyone in this debate to bother responding anymore. Peace.
No that can be an apology, it however isn’t the only way to apologize.
You know dictionaries? Try one.
I wonder how long you had to scroll to find that one. Taking an overly literal definition instead of understanding the context and spirit of what an apology is: the last bastion of the guy who cares more about winning than being right.