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ni li toki pona

  • riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    142·
    3 days ago

    gender in german is absolute ass. i know other languages are worse but still >>:c

    objects are gendered between masculine, feminine, and neutral, without any apparent pattern.
    humans (and basically all nouns for them) are ofc also gendered but only as masculine and feminine (except some few exceptions like baby and girl) because ofc the neutral form is only for objects and animals and would be obectifying on humans… so oficially german has no gender neutral 3rd person pronouns (neither singular nor plural) and when it does need them, it just defaults to the masculine pronouns, because men are ofc the default.

    now there are language reforms happening, trying to create new gender neutra noun suffixes, by merging the existing suffixes but ofc even this small addition has ben turned into a manufactured outrage for conservatives, reactionaries, and really anyone who doesnt belive there is a patriarchy.

    no one outside of queer or radical leftist communities is even aware of the existance or capable of the usage of gender neutral neo pronouns (the only kind there is, other than the reclaimed neutral form).

    this shit makes me so pissed whenever i think about it.

    • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
      3·
      3 days ago

      grammatical gender doesn’t actually have anything to do with social gender, it’s just a very dumb piece of terminology.
      There’s no pattern to it because it’s just a thing that happened, “mädchen” is neuter because very few people think of nouns as having societal gender connections, they just use whatever grammar they grew up with and sounds right.

      you talk about manufactured outrage but dude, you’re doing the same thing!

      • MîmEnglish
        3·
        3 days ago

        “Mädchen” is neutrum because it is diminutive of “Magd” and the diminutive is neutrum.

      • riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        1·
        3 days ago

        gender in german is a mess and german is either unequipped to communicate gender neutrally in an inclusive way or the extensions that would enable it are heavily being pushed against. this is a very obvious reality and it deserves anger by those negatively affected by it. my outrage is not manufactured by rightwing actors, it comes from my lived experience as someone affected. on that note, please do not dude me.

        gramatical gender being random and meaningless is an annoyance, making german a lot harder to learn. you are right, this is distinct from gender justice but it is an annoyance with the german language and it contributes to gender in german being a mess.

        and it just feels like a cruel joke, when your language does actually have a neutral form but that form is considered dehumanizing when used for people.