Summary
Donald Trump stated that Palestinians displaced by Israel’s military actions would not have a right to return to Gaza under his plan.
Instead, he proposed resettling them in Egypt and Jordan, despite both nations rejecting the idea.
Trump suggested creating permanent refugee communities funded by the U.S., calling Gaza a “real estate development for the future.”
His proposal has drawn condemnation from Arab nations and legal experts, with the UN warning it could constitute ethnic cleansing and violate international law.
Israel’s far-right settlers welcomed the plan.
Member when people were saying Kamala would be worse than Trump for Palestinians, LOL! How’s that vote/abstain working out now?
Remember when Democrats pleaded with Harris to differentiate herself from Biden and Trump on the issue and she refused?
me downvote instead of argue 🤓
Well now you have to take them in.
Of course he does not. Every American president has always voted against Palestinian self-determination at the UN.
It’s ironic that China seems to be the country supporting the Palestinians, I kinda feel we might be the baddies.
I don’t think China (the government) actually cares. Just like the US supporting Ukraine, the US (the government) does not actually care about Ukrainians.
Russia - Ukraine conflict
Israel - Palestine conflict
Its all just a chess game to become (or remain) the superpower
Not ironic it all.
The US condemns China for the treatment of the Uyghurs. US good, China bad.
China condemns the US for the treatment of the Palestinians. China good, US bad.
Both countries don’t give a shit about either.
Sadly every major power tends to be the baddies to some extent, it’s how they get to be and stay major powers. We just get to grade on a curve. Nazi Germany really set the curve and the US got to be the pretty unambiguous good guys, at least up to the firebombing campaign in Japan, the nuclear bombs, and being complicit after the fact in Japanese atrocities by shielding them from consequences.
While we have an “ambient” level of baddie-ness most of the time, we at least have balanced it out by sometimes defending against unjust violence and providing humanitarian aid.
Now Trump seeks to turn that baddie scale up to the max while simultaneously cutting out all aid efforts.
Aaaaand, why is the president of the US making plans for the people in a county he has no authority over again?
The real lesson of trump: you can get away with anything after you’ve conditioned your victims enough.
I read recently that all conservatism is is “I’m a good person and anyone who says otherwise deserved whatever I did to them.”
Pretty sure this is how it all started in the 1930s.
That is a hell of a sentence. Damn.
“plan”
Friendly reminder: The crescendo of the first six months of project 2025 is using civil unrest to deploy the US Military as a domestic police force. The accompanying suspension of habeus corpus is absolutely needed for them to turn up the heat even more.
They’re laying the groundwork for defanging the judicial branch as we speak - it’s their last obstacle.
From https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-i/clauses/763 (emphasis mine):
"The Suspension Clause protects liberty by protecting the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus. It provides that the federal government may not suspend this privilege except in extraordinary circumstances: when a rebellion or invasion occurs and the public safety requires it. "
Trump suggested creating permanent refugee communities funded by the U.S., calling Gaza a “real estate development for the future.”
I will make the best Economy evah!
Lol no, om going to use the US funds to pay for millions of refugees that I artificially created so that I can have my very own Riviera for free
The fiscally conservative party at its finest, everyone
Cool plan dude except for the humanity and stuff
Not even gonna try to pretend it isn’t ethnic cleansing…
People can weasel themselves around terms like “fascist” quite easily, because there are multiple definitions, many are very diffuse and there’s a lot of disagreement around it - but ethnic cleansing to my understanding is quite simple and this is it. Can any serious political commentator pretend it’s not? For example the forced removal of Poles from west Poland (annexed by USSR) after WW2 for example was not a slaughter, but is considered an act of ethnic cleansing.
I think this is something else – I mean, he’s gonna need slaves to implement all this.
People immigrating to the US? Criminal invaders. The biggest threat to America. Meanwhile, let’s turn an entry country into refugees and forcibly relocate them into other countries without the consent of anyone involved. Makes perfect sense. /s
Don’t worry, trump is gonna move them to the US, and not give them any documents, then be like “ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT” and send them to Guantanamo doing slave labor.
Trump seems to practicing a classic example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brinkmanship
Not sure if purposefully or just accidentally.
Biden’s Gaza policy was tragic, but still, fuck anyone that voted to throw gas onto that fire.
Guy behind the Muslim ban, with the Christian nationalist base, was always going to make things worse.
What gas? Biden tried to do ethnic cleansing as well. Biden tried pushing Egypt to accept Israels ethnic cleansing plan behind closed doors and push the Palestinians out of Rafah. Egypt refused.
Biden helped Israel cleanse the West Bank. Do you believe they have right to return over there?
Trumps difference is he is saying the quiet part out loud. And all it does is piss off Egypt and Saudi.
You’re getting downvoted but nothing you said is incorrect.
Thank you for saving Gaza
Thank you for destroying it.
How odd, I thought Putin would have given you new talking points by now. You must be one of the older mouthpiece versions.
I reported your comment and it still up. Apparently lemmy.world mods apparently do not remove insults when they defend genocide.
So predictable. Nothing but “whataboutism” anytime someone points out how bad Trump is and will be. This thread was about Trump, not Biden.
It is currently removed on my end.
Was up for more than 6 hours.
You can’t reason with the pro-genocide Kamala voters
Oh fuck I didn’t realize there was a magical third candidate with a prospect of winning
Yeah, it’s those thoughts and prayers people keep sending in light of disaster. It’s great, you get to claim the moral high ground while burying your head in the sand about the realities of the situation.
I hope you look forward to voting for Ted Cruz, the Democratic candidate for president in 2028. After all, he’ll in theory be a little better than Trump running for his third term, so logically it’s our duty to support Mr. Cruz for president. The only criteria any Democrat is allowed to use is whether the Democratic candidate is a tiny bit better than the Republican.
If you refuse to vote for President Cruz, you will be fully morally responsible for any of Trump’s actions in his third term. After all, there’s no magical third candidate with a prospect of winning.
This is the moral hazard of the “vote blue no matter who” crowd. If the Democratic base is already locked in no matter what, then there’s no need for the party to work to actually reflect Democratic values. The people running the party only care about winning for the sake of winning. They don’t actually believe in anything; they’re just shameless power chasers. And if the Dem base will vote for literally anyone the Dems nominate, then Dems might as well just nominate Ted Cruz, Liz Cheney, or some other Republican. What better way to appeal to suburban Republican voters than by nominating an actual Republican?
The truth is that in order for the Democratic Party to actually mean anything, there have to be some people on the left side of the spectrum willing to walk away if the party moves too far to the right. If there’s no consequence to drifting to the right, the party will just become a duplicate of the Republican Party. Eventually we’ll just end up with an election between the KKK candidate and the skinhead candidate. That would literally be the outcome if every Democratic voter blindly “voted blue no matter who.”
Obviously, there’s the argument of voting to defend democracy. But the sad truth is that centrist dems have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are actually incapable of defending democracy. You can’t run on something that you’ve proven yourself utterly incapable of doing. The party that appointed Merrick Garland could not credibly argue that they were going to vigorously defend democracy. Even now, their pathetic response to Trump’s lawlessness shows that they are incapable of fighting for democracy.
I mean I agree with some of your points I just would have waited until trump was dead of old age before trying to do a protest vote but hey different strokes for different folks I guess. at least we wont have to talk about gaza anymore since it will be fucking gone haha 👍
You keep saying:
at least we wont have to talk about gaza anymore since it will be fucking gone haha 👍
Like Trumps plan is different from Bidens.
But it isn’t. Biden literally tried to get Egypt to accept a giant tent city refuge camp in the Sinai desert. You know, like Gaza originally was in the first place?
So, laughing at the people you incorrectly blame for Trumps election and pointing at this as a consequence is just stupid. This was literally Bidens plan as well.
I don’t blame y’all for shit dawg this is all on the fucking DNC, and I ain’t laughing at you im laughing as cope.
But to act like it would have been exactly the same under Biden is a fucking joke, you know trump is gunna dial the spite and cruelty to 11.
The sheer audacity of treating sovereign territories like Monopoly properties reveals the bankruptcy of modern geopolitics. Trump’s alleged “Gaza swap” proposal – offering Egypt debt relief for absorbing a war-torn enclave – reeks of casino diplomacy where human lives become bargaining chips. This isn’t statecraft, it’s a foreclosure auction on human dignity.
Egypt’s immediate rejection proves even authoritarian regimes recognize some lines shouldn’t be crossed. But the real tragedy lies in normalizing this billionaire’s mentality that every crisis is a leveraged buyout opportunity. From the Abraham Accords to this Gaza garage sale, it’s all about transactional trophy deals while ignoring root causes.
The Mediterranean doesn’t need another real estate mogul playing Risk with refugee camps. This isn’t solving conflict – it’s outsourcing oppression through financial blackmail. The message is clear: human rights have become adjustable-rate mortgages in the hands of dealmakers.
Don’t be confused for a second Egypt refuses cus of morals. Egypt refused take Gaza Strip back from Israel during the peace treaty, where they happily took Sinai Peninsula along with it Bedouin population.
Hamas is a branch of Muslim Brotherhood, they are illegal in Egypt. They try to force their religion on the country. Being related to the Muslim Brotherhood will get you tortured to death and vanished in Egypt.
For fuck sakes, 70% of people in Gaza has an Egyptian family name.
I’m not saying kicking the Gazans out is right. Just pointing out the real reason behind Egypt refusal.
Very elaborate way to say “but Hamas"…
Yes, but hamas.
No one want religious extremists in his country.
