• Rhoeri@lemmy.world
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      So you assume to know what others want? Because I’m right there with them. Non protest/non-voters absolutely helped to put us here. There is nothing at all wrong with pointing this out.

      And as John Lydon would say: Anger is an energy.

      And I believe that anger’s best use now is ensuring that the fucking assholes that did this are called out and learn from it so that if god-forbid we happen to find ourselves here again, they’ll acutely get off their assed and fucking help.

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        All you’re doing is ensuring people ignore the Democrats. They hate politics. They don’t trust you or the parties. Yelling at them just confirms it.

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          And all you’re doing is expecting people to kiss your collective asses while you all sit around and smugly talk down to everyone while making bullshit proclamations.

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            That’s laughable. After decades of politicians measurably ignoring their constituents and making laws their corporate donors ask for, you accuse people of being egotistical. That’s straight up bullshit dude.

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        He’s blaming the people who didn’t vote. Which is a bullshit theory the conservative Democrats have been pushing to keep from dealing with why they lost.

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          Which is a bullshit theory the conservative Democrats have been pushing to keep from dealing with why they lost.

          No. That is the bullshit excuse that performative faux-leftsts use. The impact of non-voters and anti-electoralists is plain to see for anyone with the slightest comprehension of statistical math that is so basic that is barely qualified as anything above arithmetic.

          Every election in my lifetime has resulted in worsening of the human condition because “protest (non-)voters” can’t be bothered to consider the most elementary examples of cause and effect:

          Don’t voice your view in an established manner and your view will not be reflected.

          There’s no political representation of us on the left because too many can’t be fucked to participate in primaries or the democratic process (as much as it can be called that) either because they buy into the idea that, despite all evidence contrary, not opposing oppressors will somehow make things better or, because, again despite all evidence contrary, offering up minorities, LGBTQ+, and other vulnerable groups as blood sacrifice by enabling the establishment of fascism will somehow magically result in a workers’ revolution and utopia.

          TL;DR - Non-voters/protest voters and acceleration can get fucked. The are no allies to LGBTQ+ nor the working class as they are unwilling to do the literal least one can do to try to impact positive change, apparently preferring fascists and corpo dems.

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            There just isn’t a large leftist movement in the US. They aren’t going to win more than a few seats. And blaming them while running further to the right is exactly what’s happened every election in my lifetime. People have to exert effort to vote in most places, they need to get time off, they need to stand in line for hours, they need to deal with partisan poll workers, and for what? To watch the Democrats do corporate welfare too?

            And don’t start with the whole they were warned bit either. Every single cycle the Democrats have said the Republicans would end democracy. So nobody was listening to that anymore. The word fascist has entirely lost it’s meaning in the US.

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            lgbtq+ is also the most persecuted group followed by AA. and some of these people dint even vote, it was bad enough some voted R, but the non-voters just make them look worst.

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      It is a pretty amusing overlap in the people that will screech about victim blaming but can’t seem to wrap their head around the concept that the people ultimately responsible for a crime are only the people doing it.

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          I’ll point you back to the article. And to my comment: Congratulations protest non voters, this is what you voted for.

          Literally what protest non voters voted for.

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            Sigh. They didn’t vote. That’s quite literally not a vote. No matter how hard you want to blame them for something they didn’t do.

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                Is it? Aren’t we always talking about voter suppression?

                Face it, the Democrats didn’t make a positive argument for themselves and people were tired of hearing that Republicans were evil. They promised stuff.

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                  Is it?

                  It is. If you have the choice to act, and you choose not to act. You have made a choice.

                  Aren’t we always talking about voter suppression?

                  Voter suppression is if there is no choice to vote. I haven’t seen anyone suggest those are people we’re talking about. Those would be referenced by language such as “those that couldn’t vote” not “those that didn’t vote” who we are referring to in this thread.

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              that is literally a vote, as the saying goes, standing by not to doing anything is bad as helping the enemy.

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              Sigh. They made a choice that amounted to voting for this. An intentional and deliberate choice. Thus, this is what they voted for. Congratulations!

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                Oh? Aren’t you guys always yelling about voter suppression? So which is it? Everyone who didn’t vote made a conscious decision or at least some people were prevented from voting?

                As for the rest. Yes apathy is a choice. After decades of watching both parties do nothing about their show slide into homelessness I cannot act surprised that people are more worried about making rent than voting.

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                  After decades of watching both parties

                  Again: Points to article. Again: Congratulations protest non voters, this is what you voted for!

                  You may continue your mental backflips. Ciao.

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                like 3 common things popped right after the elections from non-voters : “how is this affecting me now, or whenever” someone on reddit said this was from POC and persecuted groups which makes them look even worst. 2) dint know the incumbent was even running or dropped out 3) They cant be bothered by election to vote(goes back to the social media distractions they have been obssesed with)? the first 2 knew what was going on, chose to ignore it. the final one it was shown that genz dint vote for either side in large numbers, which helped the republicans, because the gop were afraid of gen z voters, and then a portion of them went over to the R-side for the first time(thanks to incel grifters)