You will call Chinese propaganda on this too, but plenty of youtube tourism showing vibrant and prosperous region with luxury maintained Mosques.
Note also that their success is despite the lying based demonism of sanctions on the region.
I appreciate the distant history is imperfect, but there are so many worse “progroms” and minority dominance stories in history, that using this as yet another politicization of history for warmongering ammunition, maybe the only practical purpose of historians, is the goal with zero consideration for peace and prosperity and contentment achieved by recent approach.
appreciate the distant history is imperfect, but there are so many worse “progroms” and minority dominance stories in history
Distant history? All of this is modern history… The vast majority nof the immigration to the region happened in the 00’s.
Just because there are worse examples of government sanctioned abuse towards minorities, does not mean we should defend or deny any kind of abuse. Should we not condemn the genocide in Gaza because at one point the Israeli experienced a greater genocide? What is the logic of this way of thinking?
this as yet another politicization of history for warmongering ammunition,
This is just history…attempting to rewrite or cover up historical events is the politicization of history.
the goal with zero consideration for peace and prosperity and contentment achieved by recent approach.
By this logic the genocide and assimilation of the native American population is entirely valid.
Your edit may be the most ethically devoid statement I’ve ever seen on this site. I think you really need to examine your moral compass.
By this logic the genocide and assimilation of the native American population is entirely valid.
I wouldn’t say native Americans have done as well as Uyghur, or received as much investment and job creation. I would say that giving them all US land ownership is not an option to undo injustice.
wouldn’t say native Americans have done as well as Uyghur, or received as much investment and job creation.
First of all, I think you are ignoring the actual abuse of human rights that occurred.
Secondly, you haven’t established that the Uyghur have received any actual benefit, you’ve just given statistics about the region, which they are no longer the majority ethnic group. I’ve already established that Han immigrants are the main benefactors of the government’s investment in the region.
Lastly utilizing job creation is not a metric for determining human rights abuse. Technically more natives have “employment” as we typically define it today, because there weren’t jobs before. That doesn’t mean the abuse is valid.
I would say that giving them all US land ownership is not an option to undo injustice
And no one made that claim… I was using it as an example of how illogical your claim was.
You will call Chinese propaganda on this too, but plenty of youtube tourism
As I already said, the government has made massive efforts to assimilate the region and have pushed the majority native population away from major cities which are now being used for tourism.
YouTube tourist are not journalist, they are not members of international rights groups. They are still highly restrictive of travel to areas where the vast majority of where the native Uyghur populations were relocated to.
showing vibrant and prosperous region with luxury maintained Mosques.
Because that’s what is traditionally important to cultural and religious heritage … luxury?
If Israel rebuilds the Great Mosque of Gaza and turns it into a “luxury Mosque” as a tourist attraction…would that be okay?
Note also that their success is despite the lying based demonism of sanctions on the region.
Again…you have failed to establish that the accusations are lies. You have yet to make any kind of rebuttal that addresses any of the evidence I’ve posted.
I don’t get how you can have such nationalist views of a country you have never been to, nor know any of the modern history.
Are you claiming that all ethnic prejudice in East Asia is propaganda, or just this particular case? I really don’t understand how you can be so uncritical of the ethnic abuse in one country but not another.
If I was really just propagandizing for the west, wouldn’t I be making excuses or trying to downplay the genocide occurring in Gaza? Please, just stop engaging in partisanship and use some critical thinking skills.
Again…you have failed to establish that the accusations are lies. You have yet to make any kind of rebuttal that addresses any of the evidence I’ve posted.
I don’t get how you can have such nationalist views of a country you have never been to, nor know any of the modern history.
Are you claiming that all ethnic prejudice in East Asia is propaganda, or just this particular case? I really don’t understand how you can be so uncritical of the ethnic abuse in one country but not another.
I’m not calling your history claims lies. I’m saying they don’t justify sanctions on the region, and that we’ve seen far worse. Also, I mainly see the 2014 Chinese government reaction to be proportionate and reasonable, and that their investment in the last 5 years especially commendable.
I’m saying they don’t justify sanctions on the region, and that we’ve seen far worse.
Ahh, so the goal post has been moved… Your initial claim was that it was all propaganda, now it’s that the abuse doesn’t justify sanctions.
As I originally claimed, those who deny the abuse only do so utilizing logical fallacy. Glad we ironed that out.
2014 Chinese government reaction to be proportionate and reasonable, and that their investment in the last 5 years especially commendable.
Again, another goal post moved. Now you do not deny the abuse, you just think it’s validated.
You are not arguing in good faith, it’s always the same bullshit.
Well, judging by you prior post I shouldn’t be surprised. I’m guessing your not even from Canada considering you penchant for Russian nationalism. Your English has improved in the last four months though, so you got that going for you.
Btw, just a tip. Refrain from utilizing the same negative descriptors E.G demonic, pig, nazi. It’s a pretty dead giveaway that you’re utilizing a second language.
I’m not a nationalist, I don’t support America’s foreign policy, nor can you change my opinion about other nations foreign policy. Plus, I’m pretty sure we’re far enough down the thread where no one else is really looking, so you can drop the act if you wish too.
I’m mainly just curious, what region are you from? And do you actually make a living posting on here, or are you just doing this out of boredom?
You will call Chinese propaganda on this too, but plenty of youtube tourism showing vibrant and prosperous region with luxury maintained Mosques.
Note also that their success is despite the lying based demonism of sanctions on the region.
I appreciate the distant history is imperfect, but there are so many worse “progroms” and minority dominance stories in history, that using this as yet another politicization of history for warmongering ammunition, maybe the only practical purpose of historians, is the goal with zero consideration for peace and prosperity and contentment achieved by recent approach.
Addressing your editorializing.
Distant history? All of this is modern history… The vast majority nof the immigration to the region happened in the 00’s.
Just because there are worse examples of government sanctioned abuse towards minorities, does not mean we should defend or deny any kind of abuse. Should we not condemn the genocide in Gaza because at one point the Israeli experienced a greater genocide? What is the logic of this way of thinking?
This is just history…attempting to rewrite or cover up historical events is the politicization of history.
By this logic the genocide and assimilation of the native American population is entirely valid.
Your edit may be the most ethically devoid statement I’ve ever seen on this site. I think you really need to examine your moral compass.
I wouldn’t say native Americans have done as well as Uyghur, or received as much investment and job creation. I would say that giving them all US land ownership is not an option to undo injustice.
First of all, I think you are ignoring the actual abuse of human rights that occurred. Secondly, you haven’t established that the Uyghur have received any actual benefit, you’ve just given statistics about the region, which they are no longer the majority ethnic group. I’ve already established that Han immigrants are the main benefactors of the government’s investment in the region. Lastly utilizing job creation is not a metric for determining human rights abuse. Technically more natives have “employment” as we typically define it today, because there weren’t jobs before. That doesn’t mean the abuse is valid.
And no one made that claim… I was using it as an example of how illogical your claim was.
As I already said, the government has made massive efforts to assimilate the region and have pushed the majority native population away from major cities which are now being used for tourism.
YouTube tourist are not journalist, they are not members of international rights groups. They are still highly restrictive of travel to areas where the vast majority of where the native Uyghur populations were relocated to.
Because that’s what is traditionally important to cultural and religious heritage … luxury?
If Israel rebuilds the Great Mosque of Gaza and turns it into a “luxury Mosque” as a tourist attraction…would that be okay?
Again…you have failed to establish that the accusations are lies. You have yet to make any kind of rebuttal that addresses any of the evidence I’ve posted.
I don’t get how you can have such nationalist views of a country you have never been to, nor know any of the modern history.
Are you claiming that all ethnic prejudice in East Asia is propaganda, or just this particular case? I really don’t understand how you can be so uncritical of the ethnic abuse in one country but not another.
If I was really just propagandizing for the west, wouldn’t I be making excuses or trying to downplay the genocide occurring in Gaza? Please, just stop engaging in partisanship and use some critical thinking skills.
I’m not calling your history claims lies. I’m saying they don’t justify sanctions on the region, and that we’ve seen far worse. Also, I mainly see the 2014 Chinese government reaction to be proportionate and reasonable, and that their investment in the last 5 years especially commendable.
Ahh, so the goal post has been moved… Your initial claim was that it was all propaganda, now it’s that the abuse doesn’t justify sanctions.
As I originally claimed, those who deny the abuse only do so utilizing logical fallacy. Glad we ironed that out.
Again, another goal post moved. Now you do not deny the abuse, you just think it’s validated.
You are not arguing in good faith, it’s always the same bullshit.
Well, judging by you prior post I shouldn’t be surprised. I’m guessing your not even from Canada considering you penchant for Russian nationalism. Your English has improved in the last four months though, so you got that going for you.
Btw, just a tip. Refrain from utilizing the same negative descriptors E.G demonic, pig, nazi. It’s a pretty dead giveaway that you’re utilizing a second language.
I’m not a nationalist, I don’t support America’s foreign policy, nor can you change my opinion about other nations foreign policy. Plus, I’m pretty sure we’re far enough down the thread where no one else is really looking, so you can drop the act if you wish too.
I’m mainly just curious, what region are you from? And do you actually make a living posting on here, or are you just doing this out of boredom?