Don’t be a vote connoisseur here please. Redefine how you think about voting and participating.

Do you miss your communities from elsewhere. Well guess what, you are that core community now. If you want it back, the only thing holding you back is you. Don’t wait on someone else to start posting. You don’t need to worry about the perfect polished quality of your content or if it has been done before elsewhere. The current bar is, umm, poorly defined. No one is judging you. Call it practice. EVERY time you see something interesting, get in the habit of posting it please. Maybe go out of your way to grab a reference or two and post them.

Along these lines, think of how unsure and uncomfortable this may seem to most of us former lurker connoisseurs. You can play hard and thick skinned all you want, but you know exactly what post or comment you posted elsewhere that got the most votes or interaction. Why? Because it matters to you. So upvote everything you can. It matters to someone else too. Don’t upvote just for the value or interest you have in the content. Do it just to say “hey, thanks for making the effort to participate and make this place a few lines longer.” Please rethink how you handle voting, at least for now, think of a down vote as FU for participating, no votes as I wish you weren’t here. We are all likely accustomed to a lot more interaction and validation in our own little niches. This is really an underpinning value of social media, we are here to engage with people, so tell people who are new and unsure about a new and different place, “hey, thanks for participating.” You may not know or really appreciate their interests, but you can help us grow a core that can evolve into your favorite niches as the community grows. You are the core community. We can all make it grow if we make it a place people want to be.

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    While I can appreciate wanting to help others feel good about posting, here are my concerns (and some solutions at the end to consider):

    1. If most posts were upvoted blindly, it would make post ratings meaningless as well as the Hot feature. I prefer “good” posts to rise to the top.

    2. If we upvote low quality/low effort posts, then that is what we are encouraging users to produce.

    3. Low quality posts especially from Help Vampires can be a huge drain on the community and moderators. E.g., No one wants to see the same question asked every few posts.

    4. New users may at first be drawn to seeing the number of posts…but if the first x number of posts are all garbage, we may lose potential users.

    Personally, I will not upvote posts just to make new people more confident. However, here are some alternative solutions:

    1. People can learn to feel comfortable posting in certain communities that are either smaller or where quality is less expected. E.g., if the future Arch Linux community is like their forum, they are very strict and you’ll get worse than a down vote if you don’t follow the guidelines in How To Ask Questions The Smart Way and had first RTFM (read the manual) and STFW (searched the web) and have put in great effort and be truly stuck before posting.

    2. Before downvoting, we could look at the user’s profile and some of their posts and if they seem very new, we could cut them some slack and/or send them a PM instead of downvoting.

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      It is hard to see the context of the timeline that this was written in. There were less than 1300 total accounts on this instance and several hundred online at the time. I looked up several communities that only had 1-3 posts and almost no interaction. So I decided to pick an interest and make a couple posts. This felt like a dead end, I wasn’t ready to give up, so I wrote this to hopefully help it feel a little more worthwhile grinding out some more posts. I had no way of knowing how much this place would grow in a few days.

      Positivity shouldn’t be a rare thing. In regular analog life, social accountability to one’s peers is a mask people wear to hide who they really are. The anonymity of this place is the only time people take off this mask. This is a perfect mirror, if the person is smart enough to recognize their own reflection. For that reason, everyone should want to be their best self here. This is who you really are when no one else is pressuring you in an otherwise accountable way. Why not make a positive impact with that.

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        Agreed, being positive shouldn’t be a rare thing for sure. However what people view as being positively impactful is different.

        To me it is not helpful or desired to essentially lie to people by patting them all on the head with an upvote which is the equivalent of saying ‘good post’ even if the post added no value or worse sucked. While upvotes may provide a burst of dopamine to each user, it won’t do them any favours in the long run. And once they realise everyone is getting upvoted regardless of content, the upvotes will come to be viewed as meaningless anyway.

        Furthermore, upvoting is the lowest effort and lowest impact option – If one wants to be more positively impactful and take more effort than just blindly upvoting every post, they could reply or PM to welcome new members to the community, direct them to helpful FAQs/resources, etc.

        Furthermore there will be many communities which will all have their own values and expectations so if I’m in a community where mods put a rule to upvote every post, then sure if I want to participate in that community then I will do that. And if on the other end of the spectrum, if I’m in a community where mods have a rule for no low effort/value posts, if I want to stay in that community I will certainly only upvote posts that meet that rule. And of course those are both extreme cases and most communities will fall somewhere in the middle.

        Anyway regardless of everything I’ve said, in the end how we add value to this platform is based on our unique values and preferences. It sounds like you are more connection-focused and I am more education/knowledge-focused. There is nothing wrong with either as there is nothing wrong with you upvoting all posts and inspiring others to join you. While I may have a different philosophy, I am also a huge fan of the need and benefit of diversity of thought and so I am quite glad you are a part of the community and that you want to make Lemmy a welcoming place – your kindness and care will help make the community better.

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    What’s difficult is finding this website in the first place, most people don’t understand terms like instances and all the server details, it would have been fine to just share this main link and tell people to recreate communities

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      There is a bit of a learning curve, but it is not terrible. Based on the growth numbers so far over the last few days a small competence filter may be a good thing IMO. Maybe it will be too much for the most negative potential users to overcome.

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        This was exactly why I decided to jump in and learn. I know why I dislike most platforms and I can see the potential for something much better, here.

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          Already it reminds me of the early days of reddit, before memebarf, trolls, and shitposters took over. I know it’s inevitable that it’ll end up here too, but the reprieve is nice.

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            So far, yes! Much of this takes me waaaaaay back to the early screechy interweb days. Maybe the nostalgia has me in its grip, I dunno. :D

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      We’ll get there, I suspect. The learning curve is good, because it provides a hurdle for trolls and bots and boomer shitposters, which means those of us wanting to actually put some thought in can get a head start before the black hats catch on.

      In addition om to what OP said, we should give a thought to how we will handle bots when they inevitably start showing up.

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    If you want me to make this “my new Reddit”, then I’m going to treat it like Reddit.

    That means down voting the majority of the posts I see.

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      Why the majority? Why bother? So much effort, so many clicks, for what?

      I only downvote stuff I actually dislike, or disagree with.

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      E-introverts represent, it has been a change really. I found that in Reddit, the sheer number of participants led me to only contribute meaningfully in smaller subreddits. I think I’ve made more comments today than in the last year on Reddit.

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    Keep in mind that this being a much smaller site your voice and opinion does have an impact. Your posts and votes will influence the culture of this site. Put in the effort to shape it into how you’d like it to be.

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    Heck yeah. As soon as I figure out what all these buttons do I look forward to engaging with some of these communities. Thanks for the advice, hope many take to heart

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        From what I can tell, a boost seems similar to a retweet, in the sense that items you’ve boosted then appear on your own account. An upvote is just an upvote.

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    Thanks for the encouragement and normalization words. I’m maybe the lurkiest lurker ever, but I absolutely can and do upvote!

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    I think putting effort into actively participating is also the best way to truly quit reddit.

    I mean, now everyone is angry because of what’s happening and we’re flooding alternatives with enthusiasm because of this particular moment, but will it last?

    When you’re so angry about something it’s because you deeply care, and as long as we care there’s always the risk of going back to it when the “anger moment” will pass, because let’s be honest, it will pass sooner or later.

    So we need to stop caring, and the best way to do it IMO is being involved as much as possible here, find new people, make new connections, create/participate in new communities, so there’s no chance we’ll miss anything of what’s “on the other side”.

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      I’m so excited to see actual people posting real comments and it’s feeling like I’m part of an actual community. This is pretty cool - and I’m going to try and participate a lot more instead of just lurking like I used to.

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    Yeah, we just need a bit more of a push. I think some people may be a bit too fixated on reaching Reddit’s numbers; we really don’t need to. I don’t care if the top comment has 50 upvotes instead of 50,000, what I want is more comments, more posts, more experts in a field sharing their invaluable opinions.

    Obviously it will take some time to reach the level of granularity some subreddits have. Like, we have a design sub, a good design sub, an ashole design sub, a crappy design sub (which is like asshole design, but unintentional), a design design sub (for awful designs that are also somehow aesthetic)… And all this without going into specific design subs (web design, brand design, structure design…). Yeah, we may not have all those for a while, we enthusiasts may all have to interact in a general Lemmy Design community, but guess what? That is how Reddit got where it is now.

    Personally, I am enjoying the process. I’ve been lurking Reddit for years, reading awesome posts, and informing myself on all kinds of topics from people I won’t ever begin to compare to. But Lemmy, for the moment, feels more intimate to me, I am starting to recognize specific nametags, to interact with real human beings (not a sentient blob of like-minded thoughts). It feels like being at a bonfire enjoying the moment with a couple of people, and I think that by itself has it’s own charm.

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      I kinda like it. Reddit can feel disconnected, comment and move on kind of thing. I’m curious where this is in say a year. I will miss my smaller intimate communities, but this is one general intimate community so it works.

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        This feels like when you find a really good smaller streamer and can actually talk to people in the chat and make good friends with some and become part of a cool community where every voice is heard… before the streamer hits it big and the chat scroll is so fast you can’t even see your message among the omega luls and kappas and pogchamps and kkonas and the streamer can’t possibly respond to anything because there’s just too much garbage

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        The current growth rate over the last few hours, just on this server instance has been around 275 users per hour. If that was completely sustainable, in one year, there would be over 2.4 million users on this instance.

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      This moment is beautiful. People are understandably looking forward and hoping that they can recreate all of their niche communities. But I’m just enjoying this moment in time where we have a group of people figuring everything out together and trying to build something better than what we had. Even if Lemmy does get hugely successful, it’ll never again feel like it does at this moment, when all of the users care so much about being positive contributors.

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        I will ask, is this how being part of a forum back in the day felt? Because that’s the “feeling” I have right now.

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          Yes. It’s like a BBS forum right now. It’s the feeling of seeing usernames as human beings, instead of anonymous trolls. Feels good man.

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        Yep, that’s exactly how I feel too and you said it beautifully! I’ve been through this with a handful of platforms at this point and somehow it never feels any less bittersweet, :').

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    I do not see why we should upvote everything we see. If barely anything gets upvoted, content will still be there and will likely be at the top (if all comments have just 1 vote they all have equal chance to be at the top).

    The Reddit guidelines looked good to me. Upvote if you think it’s relevant. Downvote if you think it does not belong there. Don’t do anything if it doesn’t fall in these two cases.

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    I find it hard to see how this site can ever challenge the huge user base of Reddit and how they have a relatively active community for basically every topic in existence. But maybe things will snowball.

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      from a tech standpoint… when the core development community departs a project, that project dies - its almost always a given. reddit is such a giant that it may never die and I dont expect its core to be completely gutted. but quality content attracts more of the same and I feel that we are beginning to get quality core people here. the reddit husk can continue to shamble on, I don’t care.

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    Don’t know where to put this, but I I’ve been having issues finding communities that I know exist. But I found that searching in “posts” for a keyword instead of “communities” wil often take me to where I want to go. (For instance, searching for “lawn” brings up posts in the “nolawns” community I was looking for.)

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      I’m not on the same instance as you, so I don’t know if the website is configured differently. However, on Lemmy.world u/Ruud has this setup so that I have the option to view/search “Local” or “All.” The default is set to local which is limited to the communities (subs) hosted on this instance. If I manually set the option to view/search “All,” I see everything in all Lemmy instances (servers). I find the mobile browser works better than the Jerboa app when it comes to local versus all instances. Hope this helps.

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      I had to use “All” to find some of mine even knowing their exact location. Maybe the default should change from Communities if it needs some adjusting before it works.