• Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    1 year ago

    You could say the same for the people in Palestine. They’re forced to live under the boot of an oppressive apartheid regime and they’re trying to free themselves. Pretty simple, right?

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      Apparently that’s an unpopular opinion, but to free themselves the ideal path forward is to conduct terrorist attacks on civilians? That certainly didn’t seem to improve things. And bombing civilians isn’t a great response either.

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        “Terrorism” is a meaningless word used to create a false separation between the small violence of the oppressed and the massive violence of the oppressor. The Nazis also called resistance fighters under their occupation “terroristic barbarians” and claimed this proved that slaughtering them was justified.

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        Didn’t Ukraine literally just launch missile/artillery attacks at random civilian targets in Donetsk… The same thing they’ve been doing for almost a decade?

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        You sound like you can’t be fucked to even try understanding how settler-colonial ethnic cleansing and oppression justifies violence from the oppressed-- which scans, considering your considerably treat-obsessed techbro posting background.

        basically, it all sounds like to me where you’re concerned.

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          I‘m not trying to argue for one side here and I’m certainly no expert in this conflict. All I’ve been saying is that violence is probably not going to be the solution here. Especially not the kind of violence that Israel is and has been putting Palestinians through.

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            Unfortunately, violence is a part of the solution at this point. Violence is the only thing that stopped the Nazis’ genocidal conquest, it is what enabled the Black South Africans to take back their country from their colonizers. Palestinians tried diplomacy for years, and all it got them was softer genocide. They tried peaceful protest, and their were shot dead by the hundreds. Listen, I get it, violence is not pretty, but when you are dealing with fascists such as the Israelis, you end up not having much choice in the matter. The violence will stop when Israeli apartheid and genocide stops, and that likely won’t stop until Israel as it exists is defeated, as fascism is baked deeply into its political structure.

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            Then what is the solution to a settler-colonial menace kicking in your door and demanding your land? Acquiescence and surrender? You’d see done to the Palestinians what Amerika has done to the Indigenous and Black populations in their country. Like I said.

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              What’s the solution that involves violence? It can be a wake up call to start a discussion, but I don’t see how things are going to be solved by it. But you tell me.

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                When your rip out your intruder by his roots, and cast him into the fire. You cannot really be sitting here trying to justify to someone whose lineage still bears the scars of Amerika’s colonialism, that another people’s settler-colonialism should go unopposed. You can’t be. Expecting the settler to just fuck off back to wherever he came from is idealistic and patently impossible, as Amerika’s example shows us; so what’s left from the perspective of the colonized? Like I said.

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                Don’t bother replying; I don’t ‘debate’ with settlers(and settlers aren’t just Amerikan; it’s a state of mind-- but cute ‘gotcha!’ attempt) and you’ve already shown your hand.

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                  No way am I saying it should go unopposed. But I also don’t think “ripping out intruders and casting them into fire” is going to be a feasible solution in this case.

                  I don’t live in the US btw, if that’s what you mean by “Settler”.

                  (Are we continuing the discussion by editing the comments now? ^^)

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                    All you’ve done is complain about the solution the Palestinians have come up with in order to liberate themselves. If an occupying state is doing everything it can to eradicate you and your people what do you think their only choices are going to be?

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        I know you’ve already been banned, but just in case another lib stumbles across the thread I will reply anyway.

        They’ve tried peaceful marches. Israel shot the peaceful protestors and the world largely ignored it. The fact you didn’t know about them shows how easily ignored they were.

        Which, I understand, is entirely what ghouls like you want, something easily ignored.