A 3-year-old accidentally shot and killed their 1-year-old sibling Monday in Fallbrook after getting ahold of an unsecured handgun, San Diego County Sheriff’s Deputies said.
As a hunter I own quite a few, but guess what? They are all fucking locked up in a safe and I don’t have any children, just my wife and I. How anyone could have children and think it’s ok to leave a firearm around is asinine.
As an Italian surrounded by guns who has them and hates them but might need to ruin my life by defending myself against a crazed neighbor… They’re abhorrent. There’s no good that comes from a gun.
There are several reasons go own a gun in the US. Should we have as many as we do? Absolutely not. But we have a lot of wild and dangerous animals and you don’t have to get far from a city center to encounter them. We also have several invasive species we keep down via strategic hunting. Feral pigs being one of them. They’re very dangerous and near impossible to get rid of once they’re there.
The US could definitely do with at least having the Canadian system where guns are highly tracked by the government (and they should be), but until i don’t see coyotes and random bullshit like that wandering around my suburban area, I still guy why you’d want one. I say this as someone who had never owned a gun, nor wants to own one for various reasons.
Other nations have guns and yet no one ever talks about it. Canada and Australia both allow it. I have never stated that I don’t think it should be regulated, but the very real fact is that without the assistance of hunters the US would have a real ass problem feeding itself. Wild hogs are a real threat to our food supply to the point where some farmers stake out areas with automatic machine guns to mow them down. Feral hogs are such a problem and that many states don’t have any kind of limitation on killing them at all.
You’re coming at this from the POV of someone who has never had to consider being murdered by wild life in your backyard that absolutely our government is not going to completely get rid of nor can you kill them willy nilly either. You’re thinking about this like someone where 100 miles is a very long way and not the distance one travels to get to work.
Fuck, I legitimately know people who subsistence farm. They hunt actually for food. Because they live in the middle of fucking nowhere and getting food is too expensive. I’ve visited areas of my state with cloth stores, not clothing stores. That’s the kind of low income area we’re talking about.
There are reasons to own a gun. There are legitimate ways to regulate guns that the US is not doing. That’s why our neighbor with had a high amount of guns (although not the absurd amount t we have) doesn’t have the same kind fo gun death rates.
I live in Australia where feral animals are absolutely rampant, and one of the biggest problems facing our ecosystem. We have lots of guns but almost no gun violence especially compared to the US. I could have used better wording but i agree with owning a gun if it’s absolutely necessary, and defending yourself against robbers isn’t one. But I agree the issue is systemic and that a lot of things in the US need to change both legally and culturally in order for guns to be banned which will probably never happen. But the fact is that the culture surrounding guns and the sheer amount of them you have in your country and more specifically the cities, not to mention the violence, is repulsive to almost every other country in the world. All our guns are more or less restrained to the outback and farms or rural areas where hunters actually live, and most people don’t own more than a few, and especially don’t make a hobby out of it. Because we see them as a tool a lot more than Americans do, on average. I can’t speak for everyone obviously but that’s the way I see it and statistics back it up.
Your name is different than the person I replied to and I don’t know why you’re here. I’ve never made the point that I think the US doesn’t have a gun problem. We have a problem with regulations that is difficult to resolve because the national government can’t set standards, state governments have different standards, but the doesn’t fucking matter when states legally must acknowledge each other’s licenses, so many people drive to the shittty states and come back.bor they just live in shitty states. Or many issues around the nature of the federal system.
I don’t even know why you’re here talking to me being all high and mighty when you’re totally okay with guns in your own nation for non-critcal reasons as well. You only have a hardline stance about guns existing in the US apparently. You’re shitting on us not for not having good enough regulation of guns which is totally valid, but also for apparently not being better than your own country, which again will allow you to have guns even if it’s not absolutely critical. You don’t have to make the case that you absolutely need a gun in Australia. You can just be like “I just shooting at ranges lol” and they will absolutely give you a license if you under go all the training.
This is the BS I hate. Yes the US has a problem, mostly owing to the nature of thr US being 50 countries in a trench coat in many cases. But people acting like guns are absolutely abhorrent and their country wouldn’t allow them for frivolous reasons like collecting 200 of them (this is totally legal in Australia too BTW) makes me so mad. Be at mad are your own fucking country before getting indignant about a country you don’t even live for not accomplishing things your own nation hasn’t.
I’m allowed to reply to whatever comment I want, and you started by replying to one of my comments in the first place. And don’t act like it’s exactly the same, because the difference is we don’t have more mass shootings per week than there are days, and guns are significantly more difficult to obtain here than over there. And don’t act like it’s a state issue when it’s a collective mindset of the country and that’s the reason they haven’t been properly regulated at a federal level yet. The US is completely backward in this regard and the amount of feral pigs you have there is no excuse for the amount of guns.
Agreed, as terrible a thing as it is to happen to a parent it needs to be punished when this occurs. Someone was obviously negligent with a gun around a child. If it was put away properly this wouldn’t have happened.
Either lock them up or teach gun safety. Its never too early to learn that guns are bad. When you are a child you just know certain things you don’t do or you will probably die. Like sticking a fork in an outlet. Should be the same with guns at that age.
3 year olds can’t even reliably communicate that they have to go to the bathroom. They routinely injure themselves and others sometimes through idle curiosity, sometimes via being bad at using their body or understanding consequences. 3 year olds often just do the opposite of what you say for no other reason than developmentally that’s the period they defy you.
Have you met a 3 year old? Interacting with them for a long period of time and then tried to get to stop doing something novelly dangerous without them doing that thing at least once? Because it’s basically impossible to teach toddlers anything but in retrospect. Adults only follow instructions because they have enough experience to trust the system. A 3 year old has no such trust.
Unless there’s extenuating circumstances, you’ve failed if your 3 year old can’t reliably communicate the need to go to the bathroom. I’m not saying they get things perfect, but the vast majority of 3 year olds can tell you when they need to go to the bathroom.
I like how you completely failed to address the actually developmental milestones of 3 year olds. I know you don’t know shit about 3 year olds because you’re confidently incorrect about how very often a 3 year old will fail to give you warning about needing to go to the bathroom. I guess you think changes of clothing that are required for school until kindergarten are just in case they get dirty.
Either way, the analogy is weak because because a 3yo killing someone with a toilet has a reliably low probability. Even on accident.
But children are prone to accidents all the time. And all it takes is one accident or lapse of judgement for a child to gun down their sibling/friend- even if they’re educated on firearm safety. The fact that this regularly appears on the news should be a wakeup call. It never is.
You must not have kids if you don’t think a 3 year old can comprehend basic instructions. They are much smarter than you are leading on. The average child is actually potty tried by 3 already so your first statement is wrong. Its never to early to teach your toddler that things are bad. Like looking both way before crossing the street. Its not rocket science.
Another person who hasn’t ever had a real life 3 year old and doesn’t know why “three-nager” is a thing or even what developmental milestones are for 3 year olds. 3 year olds aren’t even expected to follow multistage instructions. Like it’s not a thing any doctor would be worried about if your kid couldn’t at 3. That’s how uncommon it is for a 3 year old to follow instructions.
I have two kids, 5 and 6. Both were potty trained and could understand and follow instructions at 3 years old. Sure they might be curious but they aren’t retarded. Sounds like you are the one without children or any real life experience.
Based on your comment history you are just here to argue, thats pretty clear.
If the owners didn’t know that keeping unlocked, loaded, and (I’m willing to bet) chambered firearms in a household with kids was dangerous then the only way they’ll learn is in jail.
lock the parents up and get that kid some lifelong counseling.
as a gun owner… I find not locking up your weapons abhorrent.
as a non American I find owning guns abhorrent but to each their own
As a hunter I own quite a few, but guess what? They are all fucking locked up in a safe and I don’t have any children, just my wife and I. How anyone could have children and think it’s ok to leave a firearm around is asinine.
I took away my son’s bb and pellet guns because I caught him waving his rifle around like a toy.
“But it wasn’t loaded!”
“Then you obviously forgot or ignored the very first thing I taught you.”
As an Italian surrounded by guns who has them and hates them but might need to ruin my life by defending myself against a crazed neighbor… They’re abhorrent. There’s no good that comes from a gun.
There are several reasons go own a gun in the US. Should we have as many as we do? Absolutely not. But we have a lot of wild and dangerous animals and you don’t have to get far from a city center to encounter them. We also have several invasive species we keep down via strategic hunting. Feral pigs being one of them. They’re very dangerous and near impossible to get rid of once they’re there.
The US could definitely do with at least having the Canadian system where guns are highly tracked by the government (and they should be), but until i don’t see coyotes and random bullshit like that wandering around my suburban area, I still guy why you’d want one. I say this as someone who had never owned a gun, nor wants to own one for various reasons.
Sounds like a job for someone trained in killing wild animals, not like something that justifies everyone having a firearm.
Do you think you that there are more feral pigs or people killed with guns in US?
Other nations have guns and yet no one ever talks about it. Canada and Australia both allow it. I have never stated that I don’t think it should be regulated, but the very real fact is that without the assistance of hunters the US would have a real ass problem feeding itself. Wild hogs are a real threat to our food supply to the point where some farmers stake out areas with automatic machine guns to mow them down. Feral hogs are such a problem and that many states don’t have any kind of limitation on killing them at all.
You’re coming at this from the POV of someone who has never had to consider being murdered by wild life in your backyard that absolutely our government is not going to completely get rid of nor can you kill them willy nilly either. You’re thinking about this like someone where 100 miles is a very long way and not the distance one travels to get to work.
Fuck, I legitimately know people who subsistence farm. They hunt actually for food. Because they live in the middle of fucking nowhere and getting food is too expensive. I’ve visited areas of my state with cloth stores, not clothing stores. That’s the kind of low income area we’re talking about.
There are reasons to own a gun. There are legitimate ways to regulate guns that the US is not doing. That’s why our neighbor with had a high amount of guns (although not the absurd amount t we have) doesn’t have the same kind fo gun death rates.
I live in Australia where feral animals are absolutely rampant, and one of the biggest problems facing our ecosystem. We have lots of guns but almost no gun violence especially compared to the US. I could have used better wording but i agree with owning a gun if it’s absolutely necessary, and defending yourself against robbers isn’t one. But I agree the issue is systemic and that a lot of things in the US need to change both legally and culturally in order for guns to be banned which will probably never happen. But the fact is that the culture surrounding guns and the sheer amount of them you have in your country and more specifically the cities, not to mention the violence, is repulsive to almost every other country in the world. All our guns are more or less restrained to the outback and farms or rural areas where hunters actually live, and most people don’t own more than a few, and especially don’t make a hobby out of it. Because we see them as a tool a lot more than Americans do, on average. I can’t speak for everyone obviously but that’s the way I see it and statistics back it up.
Your name is different than the person I replied to and I don’t know why you’re here. I’ve never made the point that I think the US doesn’t have a gun problem. We have a problem with regulations that is difficult to resolve because the national government can’t set standards, state governments have different standards, but the doesn’t fucking matter when states legally must acknowledge each other’s licenses, so many people drive to the shittty states and come back.bor they just live in shitty states. Or many issues around the nature of the federal system.
I don’t even know why you’re here talking to me being all high and mighty when you’re totally okay with guns in your own nation for non-critcal reasons as well. You only have a hardline stance about guns existing in the US apparently. You’re shitting on us not for not having good enough regulation of guns which is totally valid, but also for apparently not being better than your own country, which again will allow you to have guns even if it’s not absolutely critical. You don’t have to make the case that you absolutely need a gun in Australia. You can just be like “I just shooting at ranges lol” and they will absolutely give you a license if you under go all the training.
This is the BS I hate. Yes the US has a problem, mostly owing to the nature of thr US being 50 countries in a trench coat in many cases. But people acting like guns are absolutely abhorrent and their country wouldn’t allow them for frivolous reasons like collecting 200 of them (this is totally legal in Australia too BTW) makes me so mad. Be at mad are your own fucking country before getting indignant about a country you don’t even live for not accomplishing things your own nation hasn’t.
I’m allowed to reply to whatever comment I want, and you started by replying to one of my comments in the first place. And don’t act like it’s exactly the same, because the difference is we don’t have more mass shootings per week than there are days, and guns are significantly more difficult to obtain here than over there. And don’t act like it’s a state issue when it’s a collective mindset of the country and that’s the reason they haven’t been properly regulated at a federal level yet. The US is completely backward in this regard and the amount of feral pigs you have there is no excuse for the amount of guns.
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Agreed, as terrible a thing as it is to happen to a parent it needs to be punished when this occurs. Someone was obviously negligent with a gun around a child. If it was put away properly this wouldn’t have happened.
But how can i enjoy my right to bear arms if my weapons are locked up
Either lock them up or teach gun safety. Its never too early to learn that guns are bad. When you are a child you just know certain things you don’t do or you will probably die. Like sticking a fork in an outlet. Should be the same with guns at that age.
3 year olds can’t even reliably communicate that they have to go to the bathroom. They routinely injure themselves and others sometimes through idle curiosity, sometimes via being bad at using their body or understanding consequences. 3 year olds often just do the opposite of what you say for no other reason than developmentally that’s the period they defy you.
Have you met a 3 year old? Interacting with them for a long period of time and then tried to get to stop doing something novelly dangerous without them doing that thing at least once? Because it’s basically impossible to teach toddlers anything but in retrospect. Adults only follow instructions because they have enough experience to trust the system. A 3 year old has no such trust.
Unless there’s extenuating circumstances, you’ve failed if your 3 year old can’t reliably communicate the need to go to the bathroom. I’m not saying they get things perfect, but the vast majority of 3 year olds can tell you when they need to go to the bathroom.
Even at age 2 it’s quite common.
I like how you completely failed to address the actually developmental milestones of 3 year olds. I know you don’t know shit about 3 year olds because you’re confidently incorrect about how very often a 3 year old will fail to give you warning about needing to go to the bathroom. I guess you think changes of clothing that are required for school until kindergarten are just in case they get dirty.
Either way, the analogy is weak because because a 3yo killing someone with a toilet has a reliably low probability. Even on accident.
But children are prone to accidents all the time. And all it takes is one accident or lapse of judgement for a child to gun down their sibling/friend- even if they’re educated on firearm safety. The fact that this regularly appears on the news should be a wakeup call. It never is.
You must not have kids if you don’t think a 3 year old can comprehend basic instructions. They are much smarter than you are leading on. The average child is actually potty tried by 3 already so your first statement is wrong. Its never to early to teach your toddler that things are bad. Like looking both way before crossing the street. Its not rocket science.
Another person who hasn’t ever had a real life 3 year old and doesn’t know why “three-nager” is a thing or even what developmental milestones are for 3 year olds. 3 year olds aren’t even expected to follow multistage instructions. Like it’s not a thing any doctor would be worried about if your kid couldn’t at 3. That’s how uncommon it is for a 3 year old to follow instructions.
I have two kids, 5 and 6. Both were potty trained and could understand and follow instructions at 3 years old. Sure they might be curious but they aren’t retarded. Sounds like you are the one without children or any real life experience.
Based on your comment history you are just here to argue, thats pretty clear.
Responsible firearm owners are doing both of those.
If the owners didn’t know that keeping unlocked, loaded, and (I’m willing to bet) chambered firearms in a household with kids was dangerous then the only way they’ll learn is in jail.