• MasterOBee Master/King@lemmy.world
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    Abortion should be legal at any trimester, for any reason.

    I disagree, but once again, almost any western nation disagrees with you.

    No one has the right to use your body without your consent

    There’s a decent argument bringing a life into this world by choice is consent.

    Pretty sure that’s how it is in Canada.

    Canada is one of the very few nations to decriminalize abortions totally.

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      Great, so Canada got it right, and you’re obviously swinging the weight of “western nations” as if it has any relevance. What matters is what can be argued to be correct, and I’ve argued that using bodily autonomy. You’ve argued… You’re right because most western nations agree. Totally barbaric and ignorant of my argument, but that’s obvious. You completely misunderstand consent, but that’s not surprising. I was taught that consent can be withdrawn, but you imply like she has to sit there and take it if she consented originally. Bizarre view of consent you have.

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        surprising really, Canada could use more citizens/a higher tax base. really, very few people in Canada, all told

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        Great, so Canada got it right

        No, they enacted a policy that you agree with. That doesn’t make it ‘right.’

        and you’re obviously swinging the weight of “western nations” as if it has any relevance.

        It does, we’re most comparable with other first world countries and specifically western countries. Pretty much in every comparable metric where we want to see how we’re doing, we compare it to first world european nations.

        What matters is what can be argued to be correct

        There is no ‘correct’ - just because you agree with it, doesn’t mean every single country needs to listen to you and enact policies you agree with. You have mad main character syndrome.

        Believe it or, people disagree with some of your opinions, and that doesn’t make them ‘wrong’

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            do you actually argue why abortion should be legal or illegal.

            Because that’s not my argument, that’s what you want to argue.

            I’m simply stating that almost every single other western country, even ones that are much more liberal than the U.S., has laws restricting abortions in the scenario that this woman had an abortion. If the U.S. is a shithole 3rd world country because of this, those nations surely are as well.

            Nebraska’s abortion policy at this time was more liberal than europes, who we offten compare our policies to.

            I’m also arguing that just because you think a policy would be good, doesn’t make it ‘right’ for the other 7 billion people in the world.

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              You’re arguing that you don’t have to argue. You’re the same guy I’m replying to from yesterday about this very topic. I’m laughing so hard that here you are spending all your energy taking about what most western countries do or do not do, but you STILL won’t argue for or against bodily autonomy, for or against abortion. You have no argument! You just want to talk about things that are completely irrelevant, like what policy has been decided. It’s irrelevant! Argue or admit you can’t justify what you believe. This is my 3rd reply to you and you never argue or justify anything, just more invitation to meaningless conversation.

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                You’re arguing that you don’t have to argue.

                My argument is that our abortion policies tend to be in line, or more liberal than many of the western countries the left looks up to.

                I’d be fine with a 12 week ban, that’s in much of western europe.

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                  I don’t care! This is exactly what I meant about conservative misdirection when YOU were CRYING yesterday about how everyone ridicules conservatives on reddit/lemmy. Ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule, by definition. You refuse to engage my argument because you have no response. So you argue ANYTHING else, you ask me to consider your own arguments, knowing you’ll trap and misdirect at every turn. Abortion should be legal because we should have a right to our own bodies. Ultimately, you don’t believe in this right, which is why you avoid the topic. If you want to know why I treat you like other conservatives, it’s because you act like other conservatives.

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                    Please keep this discussion civil, per rule 1. Don’t personally attack people who don’t agree with you. Go to twitter if you want to do that.

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      Where is your evidence that “almost every western nation disagrees with you”? Because I’ve seen many polls that say otherwise.

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          None of these countries would permit an abortion at 28 weeks, let alone let her keep the babies remains.

          The article sheds no light on why she needed a late-term abortion. If something is permissible and publicly funded, chances are a person gets it done early, in a clinic, without hesitation. In case of wanting an abortion, delay is harmful, having to travel, smuggle something or fear something (or gather money) is harmful. Also note: those countries have a separate schedule for normal and exceptional conditions. Which is generally not possible in a political environment that has banned abortion (some cities in Nebraska - yes, in the US, cities can regulate abortion, very strange for me). Some examples that I know of:

          Estonia:

          • under normal conditions, 12 weeks
          • under exceptional conditions, 22 weeks (risk to health, severe foetal disease, raising the child is prevented by health or sanity, the pregnant is under 15 or over 45)

          Finland:

          • under normal conditions, 12 weeks
          • under exceptional conditions, 20…24 weeks (foetal abnormality gives a limit of 24 weeks)

          Latvia:

          • under normal conditions, 12 weeks
          • for medical reasons, 22 weeks
          • MasterOBee Master/King@lemmy.world
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            The country as a whole has laws that disagree with it.

            The U.S. doesn’t permit honor killings, as a country we’re against it.

            In Iran, it’s legal, the country agrees with it.

            It’s not that hard to understand.