What kind of weird opposite shit is this? Liberals? Liberals tend to be criticizing Israel and decrying civilian deaths and criticizing Israel, while conservatives are supporting the (far-right) govt. of Israel.
There are some on the far far left who get their jollies by referring to everyone who isn’t an actual communist as a “liberal.” There’s a whole ecosystem of memes decrying shit that right-wingers are responsible for and blaming it on “liberals.”
My guess is that they’re making a distinction between communism and classical liberalism.
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law. Liberals espouse various views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion, constitutional government and privacy rights.
Yes, the people who call themselves leftists or communists (on lemmy for instance) often use ‘liberal’ to mean Classic Liberal or Neoliberal, which basically means free-market capitalist. That’s the definition used in Europe. It’s confusing because it is not at all what we mean in the US. Though Democratic Party politicians are definitely mostly capitalist, we use Liberal to refer to being left on social issues in particular, and sometimes also economics.
Almost like the left and right have both simultaneously and unassisted have targeted them
Basic capitalism is not negotiable in mainstream US politics. The only choices are what services the government will provide, exactly how far we let corporations roll over us, foreign policy, whether or not to be a theocracy and social issues.
Marx and Engels are very insistent that liberalism is a tool of the bourgeois.
Although, I think more often than not defining anything short of hardcore central control to achieve some notion of socialism, probably scientific because utopian is naive and fucking libs blah blah, is just used by crypto fascists to give their violent bigoted authoritarian tendencies an aire of legitimacy. Pretty much what the Bolsheviks did to turn the initial revolution into a fascist cesspit.
Lenin was. Marx was a bit more complex on the subject https://jacobin.com/2020/10/karl-marx-liberalism-rights-igor-shoikhedbrod-review
Thanks for the informative article.
What the is a crypto fascist lmao
The distinction is silly anyway. Classical liberals like John Stuart Mill called for communism.
The joke doesn’t work and the comic sucks in general. News at 10.
It changed. A few years ago people were scared to talk about Israel. This comic would have applied. But now it’s different, something happened and you can talk about Israel all you want now and there will just be a couple people complaining. And those people will speak as vaguely as possible and dodge any questions about what country they’re from.
Probably the thing that changed is that they turned Gaza into a concentration camp and are now committing genocide.
That’s not exactly a new thing though. They’ve always been an apartheid ethnostate taking steps to erode Palestine bit by bit. What would you think of someone criticizing Israel in 2021?
Yes, I’m quite sure. Democrats in office don’t fully represent their constituents and are not all really liberals. I’m speaking based off my experience with what your cartoon references, which is ‘liberals online’.
Oh, classic liberalism? Many today equate liberal with neoliberal.
Neoliberalism is a reboot of Classic Liberalism, from what I understand. I mean social/maybe-medium-economic leftists in the sense the term is used in politics in the US currently. That is, people who oppose racism, colonialism, sexism, are pro-LGBT but are perhaps socialist economically but rarely communist.
I don’t think they oppose colonialism.
The political side who renamed Columbus Day Indigenous Peoples Day?
Democrats seem to be okay with this.
What part of internet is this comic writer on? Facebook? YouTube comments?
Pulling the antisemitism card gets you dogpiled on any predominantly liberal site I can think of
Yeah OPs username definitely checks out. I can smell the lead poisoning in this post.
Ah, it’s tokenboomer. They always post stuff like this and I can’t tell if it’s a schtick or not
Wilson? Is that you?
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If there’s one thing boomers are known for, it’s rejecting teflon.
I got nothing. You got me.
The joke for younger people is supposed to be microplastics, though I assume everyone has a ton of those by now.
It’s obviously edited
The comic series is on Webtoons, and also here on Lemmy.
https://lemmy.world/post/9252029
https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/litterbox-comics/list?title_no=196742
I don’t have a link to the original comic, but yeah, it’s obviously been edited here.
Pulling the antisemitism card gets you dogpiled on any predominantly liberal site I can think of
I see you haven’t been in German forums.
That’s true, I don’t speak German!
This article shows the perspective of what it’s lke being a jewish person who criticises Israel in Germany:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/13/germany-jewish-criticise-israel-tv-debate
that was a good read, also reminded me to read Deborah Feldman’s works
What nonsense.
If only Congress agreed. They are trying to make any criticism of Israel into hate speech by claiming that anti-zionism is the same thing as anti-semitism. It’s bonkers.
Why? I’ve been told all those things on Lemmy.
This is fucking idiotic
Yes
From the article:
“The fact that Congress has to pass a resolution saying that anti-Zionism and antisemitism are the same thing means that people’s efforts to end the conflation of the two are getting somewhere.”
Reality says otherwise.
I think the point they were making was that it’s not the liberals who are typically pushing that narrative.
Liberals tend to be against regimes which displace millions of people.
It’s the liberals who are trying to illustrate that you can be critical of an authoritarian state, while understanding that the people living under that authority aren’t responsible.
Who do you call liberals ? Is Biden a liberal ? Do you feel he is unsupportive of Israel massacres, promoted by extereme right government ? Do you feel being critical with Israel is OK and you won’t be call antisemitic ? (Disclaimer : speaking from France, where the exact same craziness happens…)
TIL that Bernie Sanders is not a liberal.
Is Bernie Sanders conflating antizionism with antisemitism? He’s against sending Israel more money.
Has Biden called for a ceasefire yet?
I think I need a “#3 Dad” mug in my life.
I think you mean #11 dad, if it’s binary.
Clearly not on the fediverse, where the left seems to support Palestine no matter what they do.
Way to alter the original comic and make it worse.
Palestine isn’t a singular entity and a good number of Palestinians are just kids.
If you think Palestine can be judged this way then I guess the entire US is responsible for Vietnam or the million dead in Iraq.
the entire US is responsible for Vietnam or the million dead in Iraq.
Yes, yes they are! The electorate shares responsibility for this and the consequences of their chosen leadership’s actions. It’s always been this way.
Thanks for admitting all of Israel is responsible for the dead civilians in Gaza. It cuts both ways…
Oh and because you are so sensitive about it…
You would have been a fine Brownshirt.
Stop acting like one and I’ll stop comparing you to them.
You’re not supposed to say the fascist thoughts out loud.
You’re not supposed to say the fascist thoughts out loud.
Explain why acknowledging people are responsible for the leadership they elect is fascism.
Great. If you think so, then all of Hamas’ attacks against Israeli civilians are justified, since the whole of Israel is responsible for how their country Israel treats Palestinians.
Your logic is turning on you because it stinks.
Do you ever look at all the downvotes and wonder, "Maybe it’s not because they blindly hate Israel, but actually because Israel fucking sucks and is committing war crimes that all these fine people here have been explaining to me day after day, and I should clearly reconsider my position"?
Do you ever look at your pretend internet points and wonder if they are because you are correct, or because the sentiment you share is popular? They mean the latter.
Your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer.
Wow if ever there was a personification of COPE it would be that comment.
“They don’t downvote me because I’m saying shitty things, they downvote me because what you say is popular.”As orange jesus would say… SAD.
Israeli propaganda has no power here, sorry ☹️
Thanks. Glad you liked it.
