i think your kinda lumping alot of people in to a group. people are people, it doesnt matter what religion, race or ethnicity. People will abuse power be hateful and do stupid things. saying one group of people want one thing and one thing only is bias and projection and stereotyping upon your part
May as well give up on these people, they aren’t capable of nuance.
The funniest part to me though is they’re saying all these wild things about how Christians feel about gay people yet I rarely experience it myself. But daaaaamn the moment I mention I’m also a Christian they full-on seethe.
I am Christian (I’m not out to go modify non-Christians though and have a lot of misgivings about the way other Christians have been approaching the topic) and have been in the church basically my whole life and can echo what u/BarqsHasBite stated. The big fear from their end is LGBTQIA+ folks “converting” the children to change the nation. Spend enough time looking at liberal-based news (I imagine you don’t want to, that’s fine but it needs to be said) and you’ll see lots of examples of Christian vitriol against LGBTQIA+ in a very un-Christ-like manner. If you’re not seeing it around you, you’re lucky.
“It’s bigotry and they’ve fully embraced it.”
As a Christian talking to a Christian, I’m astounded you don’t understand the nature of the culture war going on. One side views homosexuality as a horror that needs to be snuffed out, and the other side views it as a major component of their person that is inseparable. One side wants homosexuality to die and the other side views that as a threat against their person. One side is using the Republican party to attack availability of transgender services that a good chunk of the other side relies on to live because they have followed their gender dysphoria through to personal body modification.
You and a lot of other Christians in this country need to stop with the persecution claims and crawl out from under your rock and have some open dialogue with your fellow Americans or citizens of whatever country you’re in and stop cowering behind your pride and ego. It’s fair to be viewed with mistrust when others of your faith are attacking what they are standing for. We are being intolerant of their choices and then crying intolerance and that is plain idiotic.
You want to talk about nuance? How about instead you all start discussing how to clean your house before you cast stones on the queers. Were not the ones running a kiddie touching ring thats been going on for over 1000 years. Before you start screeching 1000 years is a lie and go on about how it was “modern society that created pedos”, heres a letter from St. Peter Damian quoting Burchard of Worms (from Decretum Burchardi) to Pope Leo IX where they’re discussing the problems of clergy taking advantage of children. St. Peter Damian spent most of his life trying to reform the church to little avail. Maybe you should work on fixing yourselves instead of focusing on everyone else. Maybe try to be more like your saints.
That isn’t nuance, it’s unhinged rambling about stuff I never said, at all. I especially didn’t “cast stones on the queers”. I’m gay, I wouldn’t do that. I cherish gay rights and gay marriage deeply.
I also don’t think sexual or gender identity, or religion, is a baseline for someone doing something that horrible.
i think your kinda lumping alot of people in to a group. people are people, it doesnt matter what religion, race or ethnicity. People will abuse power be hateful and do stupid things. saying one group of people want one thing and one thing only is bias and projection and stereotyping upon your part
May as well give up on these people, they aren’t capable of nuance.
The funniest part to me though is they’re saying all these wild things about how Christians feel about gay people yet I rarely experience it myself. But daaaaamn the moment I mention I’m also a Christian they full-on seethe.
It’s bigotry and they’ve fully embraced it.
I am Christian (I’m not out to go modify non-Christians though and have a lot of misgivings about the way other Christians have been approaching the topic) and have been in the church basically my whole life and can echo what u/BarqsHasBite stated. The big fear from their end is LGBTQIA+ folks “converting” the children to change the nation. Spend enough time looking at liberal-based news (I imagine you don’t want to, that’s fine but it needs to be said) and you’ll see lots of examples of Christian vitriol against LGBTQIA+ in a very un-Christ-like manner. If you’re not seeing it around you, you’re lucky.
“It’s bigotry and they’ve fully embraced it.”
As a Christian talking to a Christian, I’m astounded you don’t understand the nature of the culture war going on. One side views homosexuality as a horror that needs to be snuffed out, and the other side views it as a major component of their person that is inseparable. One side wants homosexuality to die and the other side views that as a threat against their person. One side is using the Republican party to attack availability of transgender services that a good chunk of the other side relies on to live because they have followed their gender dysphoria through to personal body modification.
You and a lot of other Christians in this country need to stop with the persecution claims and crawl out from under your rock and have some open dialogue with your fellow Americans or citizens of whatever country you’re in and stop cowering behind your pride and ego. It’s fair to be viewed with mistrust when others of your faith are attacking what they are standing for. We are being intolerant of their choices and then crying intolerance and that is plain idiotic.
Girl, the only thing I don’t tolerate is intolerance. Look that shit up in between you bible verses about slavery and killing fig trees and shit.
This guy bibles.
Damn crazy how your anecdotal experience doesn’t change what the majority of christians stand for
You want to talk about nuance? How about instead you all start discussing how to clean your house before you cast stones on the queers. Were not the ones running a kiddie touching ring thats been going on for over 1000 years. Before you start screeching 1000 years is a lie and go on about how it was “modern society that created pedos”, heres a letter from St. Peter Damian quoting Burchard of Worms (from Decretum Burchardi) to Pope Leo IX where they’re discussing the problems of clergy taking advantage of children. St. Peter Damian spent most of his life trying to reform the church to little avail. Maybe you should work on fixing yourselves instead of focusing on everyone else. Maybe try to be more like your saints.
That isn’t nuance, it’s unhinged rambling about stuff I never said, at all. I especially didn’t “cast stones on the queers”. I’m gay, I wouldn’t do that. I cherish gay rights and gay marriage deeply.
I also don’t think sexual or gender identity, or religion, is a baseline for someone doing something that horrible.