• starlinguk@kbin.social
      101·
      1 year ago

      I don’t understand why people say “I trust God”. He had his own son nailed to a cross, FFS.

      People in the middle ages got it right. “I do what God tells me because he scares the crap out of me.”

      • SJ0@lemmy.fbxl.net
        2·
        1 year ago

        I’ve been reading through the old stories for the first time in my life, and in my view, you can only read them through the lens of a series of allegorical lessons intended to warn about consequences that do take place in the real world, and those consequences can be beyond lethal.

        History will wipe your entire bloodline out if you make bad enough mistakes. Ask the Hitlers.

        • Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
          01·
          1 year ago

          If I run into someone actually named Hitler, he’s probably not related to Adolf, but wishes he was…

          • SJ0@lemmy.fbxl.net
            0·
            1 year ago

            I’m thinking they might not wish they were related to Adolf, but might have some similar ideas about what to do to their parents for giving them such a damned name.

              • SJ0@lemmy.fbxl.net
                0·
                1 year ago

                I get sometimes folks are just being edgelords(hail Satan amirite?), but anyone looking at the cringefest of national socialism as anything but the most retarded ideology to come out of the human race needs to read more from non-austrian authors. :P

        • Cabrio@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          That’s because for someone who requires evidence before belief there’s rarely been major unexplained phenomena to convince them of the existance of said power from any source.

          I can imagine even the most cognizant person running into problems with assigning things to a god without civilisations aggregated knowledge of concepts like atomic principal, meteorology, astrology, germ theory, social studies.

          Imagine seeing tornados, or super cell storm structures, flooding, plague, tsunami’s, all without a hint of understanding of weather, or germs, or global tidal movements, knowledge that’s only been globally accessible to the common man in literally the last 30 years.

          The normal person’s aptitude to reject god comes down to the ability to understand and explain anything that would prior be considered an unexplainable phenomena, which relies entirely on their grasp of the combined knowledge derived from all civilisations past.

          Education resolves superstition.

            • Cabrio@lemmy.world
              12·
              1 year ago

              Wow you read all that and missed mine.

              Yes they do, because they attribute the powers of nature to god where Athiests do not because they understand the causation and effect.

                • Cabrio@lemmy.world
                  12·
                  1 year ago

                  No I’m not, I’m explaining the differential in information processing, if you think I was trying to flaunt some superiority you’re still just as ignorant about what I was saying.

                  I’m stating they see their gods as all powerful because they attribute the natural phenomena to being of a deities impact rather than something that is just naturally occurring.

                  So no, you didn’t get my point, and you only think it’s irrelevant because you’re too stupid to realise I was agreeing with you.

        • Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
          11·
          1 year ago

          Yeah, that’s one of many reasons why the term “Sky Daddy” makes me cringe if used unironically.

    • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.world
      14·
      1 year ago

      I was raised Catholic, went to a Catholic high school (was voted most likely to become a priest), and now I’m firmly an atheist. I read the bible multiple times and had a few bible study classes.

      It’s consistently amazing to me how little most christians know about what’s in the bible. It’s always entertaining to see their reactions when I correct them during an argument, or even when they say things like “The Bible says God won’t give you more than you can handle” or “God helps those who help themselves.” Those things, and lots of others that people attribute to the bible aren’t in there anywhere. A lot of times it feels like I’m discussing a movie with someone who only read a review of it.

      • Someone@feddit.ukOPM
        11·
        1 year ago

        I was raised catholic. Nursery, primary, high school and sixth form. Church every week. Extra lessons at the church in preparation for the sacraments. I was even an altar server for a time. I think I must have pretty lucky with the parish priest/my teachers though because I the most important thing that was drilled into us was the “golden rule” - treat others as you wish to be treated. Even as a child I knew the Old Testament stories were just that - stories. We were never ever taught that god hated anyone no matter what. We were also taught about other religions and not in “these idiots got it wrong” way. Judaism and Islam were taught as basically the same as Christianity but with a different idea of who Jesus was. I took Christian theology and philosophy A level and had a fantastic teacher. We spent hours debating the existence of god and we were never told we were wrong if we no longer believed by then. There’s a name for it I’ve forgotten now, but we compared the gospels to look for inconsistencies and examined what that meant for their validity. You were never expected just to believe for beliefs sake. I’m not catholic anymore, I have too many issues with the Church. But it’s shocking how unchristian the current brand of American fundamental/evangelical Christians are. It’s just so far from anything I was ever taught.

  • VubDapple@lemmy.world
    14·
    1 year ago

    Not only hasn’t read the bible. Also hasn’t seen The Ten Commandments which definitely shows god creating a deadly plague. Charlton Heston would like a word.

    • lamentforicarus@lemmy.world
      11·
      1 year ago

      Or Prince of Egypt which has one of the best soundtracks and great animation. I’m not a Christian but even I know about the damn plague that got those little Egyptian kids.

      • neoman4426@kbin.social
        2·
        1 year ago

        Hell, not only does YHWH kill many innocent children, a big part of the story is how he literally brainwashes the pharaoh to have an excuse to do so. YHWH explicitly “hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him”

      • cmbabul@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        I was raised Christian, and i was considered a superstar in Sunday school because I knew the Bible stories better than most of the ‘teachers’

        • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
          2·
          1 year ago

          It’s honestly a good book to be fairly well versed in. You can cut through so much right wing bullshit with that knowledge. And it’s fun to call them out on it.

  • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
    131·
    1 year ago

    That’s the beauty of Christianity.

    The Bible is so full of contradictions that you can get it to fit any worldview you want.

    • kromem@lemmy.world
      5·
      1 year ago

      Only if simultaneously being willfully obtuse and ignorant.

      For example, in Mark, Matthew, and Luke, Jesus forbids those going out to minister from brining a purse or money.

      This necessarily prevents monetary collections.

      So why is the church okay with taking your money today?

      In part, rationalized by Paul’s arguments in 1 Cor 9 against the earlier Christian community there that don’t think it’s appropriate to profiteer off ministering.

      But then even more, at the last supper in Luke, Jesus explicitly says “Hey guys, remember when I said not to carry purses? Let’s reverse that and now definitely carry purses.”

      Except this addition to the last super in Luke-Acts is missing in Marcion’s version of that gospel, which is probably preserving the earliest extant version of it.

      So while yes, you could in theory fit Jesus in the NT to agree with Paul that churches and those ministering have a right to profit from it and should definitely collect money from people (like they do in Acts 5 where an older couple who holds back money are both struck dead before Peter) - an even halfway critical eye should see that the historical Jesus was far more likely to have been against such practices given the widespread accounts of his ban, the earlier attitudes in Corinth, its embarrassing nature to be added in after already collecting money, and the late nature of the reversal.

      And to see that much like biological evolution, ideas evolve over time too, and the version of Christianity we have today isn’t necessarily the one closest to the original form, but simply the form that was most adaptive through the fall of the Jerusalem temple, the endorsement of Rome, etc.

      So yes, few people might know or see it this way, but that is largely because they don’t bother looking into their preconceptions and would rather believe a superficial picture that agrees with what they think they know (and I’m not only talking about Christians here either).

      • Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
        0·
        1 year ago

        Yeah a lot of people miss things like context, knowledge of the time period, and a proper understanding of theology when they talk shit about the Bible. I’m not Christian myself, but a close friend of mine is Catholic, and after hearing his clarifications on supposed Biblical Plotholes and how much more complicated the subject is… Well it definitely made me start squinting at oversimplifications concerning theology with a little more scrutiny.

        • alex_02@infosec.pub
          1·
          1 year ago

          Also there have been many problems with text being lost in translation or altered like several letters by Paul were merged at some point by a scribe and it was copied over as is.

        • MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com
          1·
          1 year ago

          I live in a neighborhood with lots of these Christian types. They don’t want “those gays” because Bible but Jesus forgave them for their divorce. They don’t pride flags on people’s shirts but they wear clothing of different fabrics and different colors other than white because “those laws of God’s aren’t important because Jesus.”

          It is just as cognitive trick to make people feel ok about their sins while still getting to point fingers at the rest of the world.

          And really … how peaceful are people that think anyone not “with them” are going to suffer eternally ? What they mean is that they are going to torture you in this world while feeling fine about torturing you.

  • Sarcastik@lemmy.world
    122·
    1 year ago

    This coming from the politician having orgies and cheating on her husband with her CrossFit gym owner.

    I could give a shit, but the hypocrisy is real.

    Exodus 20:17

    You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

    • naught@sh.itjust.works
      3·
      1 year ago

      no no don’t you see that’s a facile argument? sky daddy gave us free will to do evil so we had to choose him because… that is… because there… uhm

      • SCB@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        So as someone who read the bible quite a lot when he was still Catholic - Humanity gets knowledge of Good an Evil by eating from the Tree of Knowledge. Before then, there were no evil acts - that’s why it is called the Original Sin.

        Like I get what you’re going for but if you’re going to try to parody actual religious claims you should know the basics.

        • naught@sh.itjust.works
          0·
          1 year ago

          I’m a former catholic, and therefore did not need to read the bible ;). I wasn’t attempting a proper debate with apologetics etc. just a tongue-in-cheek comment. Catholics would actually indeed view this as a facile argument because it has been debated for centuries. It’s still a fair point, ie that an omnipotent god who already knows the outcome of your free will should still make you choose. There are many well-reasoned responses to this, but at the core of it, you must still rely on “faith” rather than anything empirical. I’m what you’d call a “doubting thomas”

      • chaogomu@kbin.social
        8·
        1 year ago

        Or it’s the work of Satan, who doesn’t actually have free will, but get to do evil things because otherwise you’d be blaming god for killing a bunch of people. Although, in the one place where Satan is doing things in the bible, it’s god that does all the killing.

        god kills Job’s family so that he can brag to Satan about how much Job loves him.

        • gordon@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          This is always my reply, like, so if this theoretical “sky-daddy” knew everything, and created us, then we were created with the knowledge that our creation would cause untold suffering.

          I see 3 possibilities:

          1. there is no god and everything is just random

          2. god is cruel, we are the ants under the proverbial magnifying glass

          3. “god” are actually just aliens and we were “created” as a genetic experiment by other beings that visited earth long ago.

    • Piecemakers@lemmy.world
      6·
      1 year ago

      Hey, you be nice to Lilith. This sloppy excuse for a fetid meatsac calling itself MTG has nothing on the Mother of Monsters.

  • Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    3·
    1 year ago

    For some reason the only way can interpret this is she’s saying the bubonic plague was a bio weapon… Or any other plague in history, including the ones “God” takes responsibility for in the Bible.

  • Saneless@lemmy.world
    2·
    1 year ago

    If God and Satan each held out a hand and said “come with me, I’ll keep you safe and totally won’t kill you”

    I’m going with Satan. Way better odds

    • Oderus@lemmy.world
      11·
      1 year ago

      I’ll always think of Jim Jefferies on this topic.

      The bible, that’s god book, as far as I know the devil hasn’t brought out a book yet, haven’t heard his side of the argument. God’s just writing shit about him, and the devil’s being the bigger man and saying I’m not even going to comment, talking shit about me like that.

    • lolcatnip@reddthat.com
      0·
      1 year ago

      …but then it turns out God created a false image of Satan to trick you, so now you’ve gone with God and you’ve pissed him off.

  • Blackmist@feddit.uk
    21·
    1 year ago

    Oh come on, he only killed a couple of million.

    I mean, it’s more than I’ve managed, but he’s no Stalin.

  • 790@lemmy.sdf.org
    1·
    1 year ago

    That is a false dichotomy. If God did not create COVID, it’s not necessarily a bioweapon. It could still be an accidental lab escape or a naturally evolved disease, for example.