In a strange shift, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov was quoted as saying that Israel’s war on Gaza is identical to Moscow’s military operation against Ukraine.
The comments, attributed to Russia’s top diplomat, were cited by Russia Today in an interview on Thursday with RIA Novosti.
“The goals declared by Israel for its ongoing operation against Hamas militants in Gaza seem nearly identical to those put forward by Moscow in its campaign against the Ukrainian government,” RT quoted Lavrov as saying.
According to the Palestinian Ministry of Health, 21,320 Palestinians have been killed, and 55,603 wounded in Israel’s ongoing genocide in Gaza starting on October 7.
Palestinian and international estimates say that the majority of those killed and wounded are women and children.
Many international law experts have accused Israel of carrying out a genocide in the besieged Gaza Strip.
If there’s one thing the Ukraine War should have taught everyone, it’s that you can never expect ideological consistency from Russia’s government or Russian propaganda. Russia’s foreign policy is purely transactional.
Unlike every other countries foreign policy.
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Doesn’t seem anymore inconsistent than any other country.
And no, it doesn’t matter how many times you link that Wikipedia page, pointing out double standard has always been, and always will be fair game.
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But the sheer scale of Russian disinformation, distraction and destruction are far beyond those of other governments.
Bullshit, the disinformation, distraction, and destruction of the West, talking about human rights and “rules based international order” while committing atrocities that far outstrip Russia more than disproves your point. That’s why you’re having to make up unsourced lies to pad your list.
And playing the “what about” card is nothing but a tactic of derailing the conversation; it adds nothing, just making the discourse confused and meaningless.
Pointing out hypocrisy and double standards always has been, and always will be a legitimate thing to do. It doesn’t matter how much you wine about it, or how many little Orwellian nicknames you come up with for it, or how much you impotently demand that people follow your arbitrary debate club rules.
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Some push an actual ideology, but yeah, nationalistic self-interest is pretty common around the world.
Literally what other standard could a nation possibly use to engage in foreign relations? The difference between nations with the same ideology is their relative position in the global and regional power structures. The difference between nations with different ideologies is their understanding of what constitutes their national self-interest.
Wow, so cynical. You’re sounding a bit like the other end of the political spectrum there.
Ideally, actual concern for things like universal human rights would be considered. You could argue nobody really does that, but I’d argue it shows up a bit. The Soviet Union supported the crap out of any number of nations that were never going to pay them back (not least their own republics), and America actually tried building democracy in Afghanistan and basically lost the war because of it. It would have been pretty easy for them to just arm another brutal junta, or take the Chinese approach to central Asia and gradually eliminate or replace the local population entirely.
You sound delusional. The US lost the war because they tried to build democracy in Afghanistan? Listen to yourself. Honestly? There’s no possibility of having a conversation about national self interest and how human rights factor in if you believe shit like the USA was genuinely motivated to build a real democracy in Afghanistan.
Get started deprogramming yourself. Listen to Blowback. Read their sources.
I don’t really like podcasts; I find it hard to catch everything they’re saying, or alternatively to listen through the parts where they’re not saying much. You’re better off citing Das Kapital like the other “anti-imperialists”. It’s barely readable but at least I can pull a quote without playing scribe.
Blowback is a highly produced audio miniseries. It’s a fundamentally different experience than an improvised free wheeling podcast. Listen to it before you make excuses for your miseducation.
It’s not even transactional, it’s embarrassing. Like the people leading the place
Same objectives, speedrunning warcrimes and every form of genocide.
Isreal killed more civilians in a month than Russia did in the whole war.
Yeah because Ukraine has a real army. And air defenses, those are also important. Russia isn’t not evil, they’re failing at being evil.
I feel this really downplays the American-backed atrocities happening in Palestine.
Of course it does; that’s the reason westerners call everything their enemies do “genocide”. To downplay their own atrocities.
I’m… not a Westerner.
Then the fact that you’re indistinguishable from the most credulous westerner is even worse.
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While not exactly the same, the Israeli and Russian treatment of the territory they occupied in their respective wars are similar in their complete and utter apathy for civilians.
No, not really. Israel has been actively trying to genocide Palestine, while Russia hasn’t been doing anything worse than what the West does when it invades countries, which is called “collateral damage” when they do it.
albeit with completely different amounts because again, Ukraine has a real army).
A huge amount of Ukraine is entirely under Russian control, and yet, no genocide.
Put another way, if Ukraine had been systematically robbed of and denied the means to defend themselves like Gaza was, it’d also be in a similar situation.
A baseless speculation that you can’t back up. Although the fact that the massive parts of Ukraine that are under Russian control, including Crimea, don’t look anything like Gaza, is strong evidence against you.
The critical difference here is that Ukraine is in a much better position to resist, not that Russia isn’t attempting genocide. Basically Russia is looking at Israel and saying “I wish this was me”, not “I’m better than that”.
No. You can’t just make baseless accusations of ‘they totally would commit genocide!’ otherwise I’m going to claim the only thing stopping you from slitting the throat of every baby in Moscow is the fact that you physically can’t.
So what is it you like about Russia so much, and what’s keeping you from moving there?
My bad, I forgot that, to Westerners, the word genocide just means “warcrimes when someone I don’t like does them”, so that they can always say they’re better than their enemies: “sure we do eat crimes, but they do genocide!”
Russia hasn’t done anything in Ukraine that the West didn’t do in Iraq, but nobody calls that genocide.
I don’t think children have been stolen yet, but maybe you have sources about it?
You’re right, in Iraq 800,000 children were merely orphaned, rarely were they abducted to America.
Yes, because Russia is failing. Don’t get me wrong, I hate the West as much as you do, but the things Russia is doing in their occupied territories in Ukraine are only not currently genocide because they’re failing. Put another way, if Russia could they’d do to Ukraine what the IDF is doing to Gaza.
See what I mean? You would never make absurd accusations of “counter factual” genocide if it was a Western country. But you need Russian warcrimes to be different from Western ones for your ideology of “the West is bad, but still better than everyone else” to work.
If that wasn’t the case, it would be more than enough to condemn Russia for a war of aggression, it’s a serious warcrime, one of the most serious in international law. But of course, westerners don’t think it’s serious at all, and do it all the time, so they need something else to accuse their enemies of. Hence this “counterfactual genocide”
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You are failing to comprehend what is being said. There is no genocide being committed by Russia. The hypothesis that Russia would be committing genocide if it could is completely wild speculation without evidence. It is a bald faced assertion that Russia is evil, without even a hint of self awareness.
There is no evidence for this claim. There is no basis for this claim. The claim’s purpose is to establish that, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, Russia is at least as bad as Israel or the USA. The evidence demonstrates that this is not true, but the Westoid brain worms cannot consume this, so morons make up fanfic and present it as reality which their brain worms can feed on. It’s pure delusion to say Russia would be actively committing genocide if it had the means.
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Even when they don’t do a thing it’s because they wanted to. Brainwashed.
Yes, attacking an enemy nation with an army is very different from attacking a concentration camp.
What are the forms of genocide?
Two weeks now and the numbers of reported Palestinians death in these news articles is 21000… along with injuries and lack of water, shelter, food, and many diseases.
If what he is saying is that Russia wants the land known as Ukraine and Israel wants the land known as Gaza; I agree, Russia and Israel have similar goals.
And the USA is the innocent littler flower who never did nuffin in either place.
About as expected, sadly Russia and China likes doing both sides on Palestine. Infinitely better than what Brandon and the west are doing but still, L.
Like, Hamas leadership (and PLO in the 90s) has visited Russia on multiple occasions, so clearly the relations are alright. I do think part of Lavrov’s rhetoric mentioned in this article is just diplomatic nonsense.
I so miss the USSR
I wouldn’t count out the pressure of dual citizens and interest groups too, it’s not like the US is the only place that has an Israel lobby, Russian is spoken by around 1/5 people in Israel, although some of that 20% would also account for Russian speakers originally from other parts of the USSR, that is still a very substantial connection.
Looks like Palestinian liberation forces are armed with Chinese weapons. Remember that Chinese foreign policy is realpolitik, and doesn’t necessarily represent their ideological line.
About what, genocide? You might be onto something there, Sergey.
Well, no. Because only one of them is a genocide.
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Russia isn’t doing anything the West didn’t do in Iraq. The only reason anyone is making these genocide accusations is because it’s a hostile nation to the USA
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I’ve been saying that from day one, ethnic clensing is the goal in both cases.
