“Patriarchy.” You use the word but you dont know what it means. We’re not talking about heads of households, we’re talking about the halls of power; which are controlled by cis men. Gender Equality advocates are not making claims that “men don’t exist,” just that gender its a highly varied spectrum.
My guess is you already know this, and willfully ignore nuance so you can push a counter ideological stance. That makes you a lame-o. Sorry.
Go move to Saudie Arabia or Qatar or some middle eastern country, any country in Africa or Asia.
Now come back to the west.
Get over yourself.
You don’t live in a patriarchal society, and you have never been more free in any time in the entire history of mankind, as either male or female, or however you may identify yourself.
That’s cool, except if only certain people with certain body configurations have the uncontrolled freedom to be themselves, that’s still a problem.
Or, as long as people who do not identify with the body they were given are ostricized, there are problems. As long as there are people who are groped because their body is different, lynched because their skin is different, or kept out of certain rooms just because of growths on their bodies they have no control over, there are problems.
Just because you remove a label doesn’t mean there isnt a problem any more.
In that case, is “patriarchy” the right label? Most men (racial minorities, non-cis, etc) face systematic oppression, so it doesn’t seem like gender is the problem. Seems like oppression follows class lines, not gender, race, orientation, etc.
Maybe Kyriarchy works better for you? It describes a multi layered and interactive web of stacked series of oppressive factors that encompasses race, class, gender, sexual orientation, ablism issues etc.
Though under the definitions of patriarchy men are still oppressed. Young men and the poor are held in sway and looked at as disposable pawns and labor by the patriarchs - powerful men in the lead positions, like male heads of the family, but in this instance the ‘family’ is government, military, businesses and corperations, guilds, unions and bosses. The the buy in for those men at the bottom is that even a lowly man gets to feel like they are better at least than women. The act of being a woman is an automatic sort of failure state. Hence why men behaving in a feminine fashion are a threat. It subverts the hierarchy when someone willing chooses to behave as “lesser” of their own volition and seem happier for it.
Oppression follows ALL those lines. Oppression and privilege are intersections. That’s why a woman can be black but also be rich and live a better life than a dude who’s poor.
I don’t care if you call it The Wibbly Fuck Problem. Stop worrying about what it’s called and just do something about it. Damn. Everyone always worry about the unimportant shit.
Read the whole thing just for you.
I think you need to read the whole thing yourself.
But I’ll boil it down for you, it’s 1 psychologist opinion that you could word (leaves that even optional) to differentiate between sex and gender.
However also points out, most psychologists, don’t see it that way.
I know plenty, nobody agrees with such views and in several hearings in the USA it’s been properly handled and answered.
No need for me to do that.
This isn’t debate club.
Men women aren’t a social construct.
Society structures around the biological facts of there being men and women or male and female, and what makes them different.
Which is something that should be celebrated, not demonized.
I think I’m society men and women formed a structure based on strengths and weaknesses.
This is neither dominated by men or women, not the way you want to see it.
Which is why I made an earlier comment to go to places where men DO dominate society on every level and treat women like 2nd rate humans.
If you truly believe we here in the west live in that way as well, we got nothing left to talk about.
Does that matter? I said the west, the west in general is fairly well balanced in terms of rights or equality.
Maybe it’s different in Italy specifically but considering trans men can sign up for miss universe contests, apparently it’s not so bad.
No, there still is. Trans men suffer from all of the same patriarchal oppression that cis men suffer from. The loneliness, the isolation, the expectation that they have no emotion. If you somehow watch trans people TikTok, The men’s biggest complaint is that they now have no friends.
So yes, the patriarchy exists even if gender is a construct. Because one of those constructed genders oppresses the others, and themselves.
If there “are no women”, because gender is just between the ears, then there are no men and there no women, so there is no patriarchy.
“Patriarchy.” You use the word but you dont know what it means. We’re not talking about heads of households, we’re talking about the halls of power; which are controlled by cis men. Gender Equality advocates are not making claims that “men don’t exist,” just that gender its a highly varied spectrum. My guess is you already know this, and willfully ignore nuance so you can push a counter ideological stance. That makes you a lame-o. Sorry.
I’m not reading all that
Go move to Saudie Arabia or Qatar or some middle eastern country, any country in Africa or Asia. Now come back to the west. Get over yourself. You don’t live in a patriarchal society, and you have never been more free in any time in the entire history of mankind, as either male or female, or however you may identify yourself.
So as long as it isn’t as bad as Saudi Arabia there are no problems?
“It’s worse somewhere else so the problem doesn’t exist” has always been a shit argument and you know it.
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Neither do I guess. 👋
That’s cool, except if only certain people with certain body configurations have the uncontrolled freedom to be themselves, that’s still a problem.
Or, as long as people who do not identify with the body they were given are ostricized, there are problems. As long as there are people who are groped because their body is different, lynched because their skin is different, or kept out of certain rooms just because of growths on their bodies they have no control over, there are problems.
Just because you remove a label doesn’t mean there isnt a problem any more.
In that case, is “patriarchy” the right label? Most men (racial minorities, non-cis, etc) face systematic oppression, so it doesn’t seem like gender is the problem. Seems like oppression follows class lines, not gender, race, orientation, etc.
Maybe Kyriarchy works better for you? It describes a multi layered and interactive web of stacked series of oppressive factors that encompasses race, class, gender, sexual orientation, ablism issues etc.
Though under the definitions of patriarchy men are still oppressed. Young men and the poor are held in sway and looked at as disposable pawns and labor by the patriarchs - powerful men in the lead positions, like male heads of the family, but in this instance the ‘family’ is government, military, businesses and corperations, guilds, unions and bosses. The the buy in for those men at the bottom is that even a lowly man gets to feel like they are better at least than women. The act of being a woman is an automatic sort of failure state. Hence why men behaving in a feminine fashion are a threat. It subverts the hierarchy when someone willing chooses to behave as “lesser” of their own volition and seem happier for it.
Oppression follows ALL those lines. Oppression and privilege are intersections. That’s why a woman can be black but also be rich and live a better life than a dude who’s poor.
I don’t care if you call it The Wibbly Fuck Problem. Stop worrying about what it’s called and just do something about it. Damn. Everyone always worry about the unimportant shit.
What are you doing to stop the ruling class from oppressing the rest of us? Seems like you’re just posting on Lemmy, same as me.
I see a lot of mouth and no trousers/skirt in this statement.
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A scientific journal about the differences between sex and gender for you to read whilst you keep vomiting fecal matter.
Read the whole thing just for you. I think you need to read the whole thing yourself. But I’ll boil it down for you, it’s 1 psychologist opinion that you could word (leaves that even optional) to differentiate between sex and gender. However also points out, most psychologists, don’t see it that way.
Aka it’s her opinion, great. I disagree. Too bad.
Spoken like someone who doesn’t know any psychiatrists or psychologists…
I know plenty, nobody agrees with such views and in several hearings in the USA it’s been properly handled and answered. No need for me to do that. This isn’t debate club.
What hearings are you referring to?
Something being a social construct does not mean it has no real world effects. That’s kind of the point of identifying it as a social construct. HTH
Men women aren’t a social construct. Society structures around the biological facts of there being men and women or male and female, and what makes them different. Which is something that should be celebrated, not demonized.
It’s still a social construct if it’s based on facts. Social construct doesn’t mean fake, it means we gave it a name and meaning.
So you do think there is a patriarchy? And you think it is based on fact, not the social construction of gender?
I think I’m society men and women formed a structure based on strengths and weaknesses. This is neither dominated by men or women, not the way you want to see it. Which is why I made an earlier comment to go to places where men DO dominate society on every level and treat women like 2nd rate humans. If you truly believe we here in the west live in that way as well, we got nothing left to talk about.
So, you think you live in a society where discrimination based on sex does not exist.
Where is that, and what is your evidence for your claim?
I don’t know what country you live in, but no here in the Netherlands it’s pretty equal. My evidence? I live here.
The story is about Italy?
Does that matter? I said the west, the west in general is fairly well balanced in terms of rights or equality. Maybe it’s different in Italy specifically but considering trans men can sign up for miss universe contests, apparently it’s not so bad.
The natural male urge to sit in a cubicle for 10 hours a day
No, there still is. Trans men suffer from all of the same patriarchal oppression that cis men suffer from. The loneliness, the isolation, the expectation that they have no emotion. If you somehow watch trans people TikTok, The men’s biggest complaint is that they now have no friends.
So yes, the patriarchy exists even if gender is a construct. Because one of those constructed genders oppresses the others, and themselves.
And from what I’m being told by the internet, men make the best women.
Which is indeed super ironic.