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  • umbrella@lemmy.ml
    101·
    11 months ago

    mint will be stuck on xorg for the foreseeable future.

    if you want something with similar workflow to windows, KDE distros are pretty good nowadays.

    • jaeme@lemmy.ml
      8·
      11 months ago

      mint will be stuck on xorg for the foreseeable future.

      Mint will use xorg as the default session until 2026, where it is projected that wayland will solve most if not all of its showstoppers.

      Mint’s cinnamon DE is built off of Mutter, GNOME’s compositor, so all it means is that Mint will be doing the same thing that it has always done, been what GNOME could have been if it hadn’t reinvented itself.

      Mint is a workflow extremely similar to what most users have experienced on Windows and specifically caters to Windows users or users coming from proprietary operating systems.

      • umbrella@lemmy.ml
        12·
        11 months ago

        2026 is a hell of a wait though considering new drivers and software will start targeting wayland in that time.

        • jaeme@lemmy.ml
          31·
          11 months ago

          It is, but Mint has always prided itself on adopting new technology late once all the dust has settled. Besides, it’s just for Wayland being the default (and most likely deprecating the X11 session), a usable wayland session for cinnamon will most likely be available come 2025.

          There’s always POP!_OS going in hot with their COSMIC compositor, so people who want to adopt wayland can do so when POP!_OS does and still have that “Ubuntu™ experience minus Canonical” distro.

          If you want to see a hell of a wait, you should check out RHEL’s deprecation timeline.

    • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml
      81·
      11 months ago

      Why does it matter? What user really cares if it’s Wayland or x11? Software is about solving problems for the user. Mint is far superior to Windows.

      Sent from KDE with x11…

      • umbrella@lemmy.ml
        13·
        11 months ago

        because its unmantained and will not get new features anymore, i dont expect new software and hardware to support it going forward.

        sent from gnome and x11!

        • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml
          2·
          11 months ago

          It doesn’t need new features and I’m pretty sure any bugs, vulnerabilities will still get ironed out. We both know Wayland will kill x11. The point is, considering we are both using x11, why should a new person from Windows need it now?

          In a few years, my position would be different, but for now, mileage varies and many face use cases it doesn’t yet cover. X11 is mature and mostly just works.

          • Salix@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            11 months ago

            The point is, considering we are both using x11, why should a new person from Windows need it now?

            Depends on their hardware. I use 4 monitors at:

            • 1440p 165hz (FreeSync)
            • 1440p 75hz
            • 1440p 75hz
            • 4k 60hz

            It works better on Wayland. Other users could be in a similar situation.

            iirc, you can’t use FreeSync with multi monitors on Xorg as well

          • umbrella@lemmy.ml
            13·
            11 months ago

            because its dying soon, no need to go all in on it now.

            neither of us will be using it. its already dead if your hardware doesnt include nvidia.

            • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml
              3·
              11 months ago

              No one is going all in, and once distros retire it, it’s dead. Jumping before distros because you have a rush of blood to the head isn’t particularly helpful.

              My hardware has no Nvidia, but getting screen recording on Wayland was a royal pain in the backside. Functionally, x11 just works better for me right now. When they iron this stuff out and make it effortless, great, but until then, the software still needs maturing.

              • umbrella@lemmy.ml
                14·
                11 months ago

                my point is that this kind of issue will be ironed out anyway and its looking like its gonna be sooner rather than later.

                i dont mind if you are already invested in using xorg and its working out for you (hey, i do too). i just dont see much reason to go into linux for the first time as a noob with it in mind at all.

                • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml
                  4·
                  11 months ago

                  They don’t need to think about display servers. Just update and it will resolve itself. You’re overcomplicating things and scaring people away from Linux.

                  • umbrella@lemmy.ml
                    11·
                    11 months ago

                    thats what i said.

                    except recommending unmantained software is bound to cause issues for a layman user, regardless of what it is.

    • MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      5·
      11 months ago

      To me mint was always the closest to what I wanted as a Windows user. I still user windows most of the time now but whenever I use Linux, it’s mint.