There is enough freely licensed content to make whatever you want. I have no trouble at all making websites and comic books and video games using freely licensed content.
You paid your own money for every single copyright work you’ve ever seen in your life?
I never claimed this distinction, and I don’t think it’s a meaningful point.
I’m saying that I pay for art. These companies don’t, but more to the point, they seek to undermine their source once they’ve extracted all the training data they need. I’d go so far as to say it’s in poor taste to use free art, because it should be patently obvious that most artists putting out free art, did not anticipate its use by devices that let you bypass artists entirely.
There’s an alternate way that this could have all gone down: after some internal testing, we could have simply asked artists to volunteer their work for the project of training. There are enough people excited about the tech that this would have been plenty! It just wouldn’t have let companies rush for market share, and hope the business utility would gloss over any ethical qualms in the aftermath.
If Ais were capable of invention and creation, I might agree. But they aren’t. They regurgitate what they are modeled on.
We don’t teach AIs, they don’t learn, there’s no university, there’s no fundamentals. We just have models that reproject. They take the training data, mix it all up, and then project it out again.
There is use to that, but gpt isn’t a child. It can not learn, comprehend, or understand. It’s a tool, and as a tool, it depends heavily on the work created by others.
You cant really compare like that, learning is an input and regurgitating is an output.
Humans learn and regurgitate much the same as an AI learns and regurgitates.
A human can only output things based on input it’s received in the past.
Try imagining a new color. Any color you could possibly come up with is just some combination of colors that already exist. By painting with purple are you not “regurgitating” the work of red and blue?
Okay so according to your logic, it is impossible for us to have this conversation. No human could’ve invented those things, therefore they can’t exist.
Or are you saying humans can learn, but our capacity for that is greatly amplified by the knowledge humanity gave us?
If it’s the latter, yeah, we’re standing on the shoulders of giants. But AI is fundamentally different, that’s the point of the comment above.
AI could never in however many million years get to the point humanity has gotten to, because we humans learn, and AIs don’t. They would stagnate without humans even if they could train from each other.
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Why not just use free use content? There’s plenty of it. More than ever before in human history
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There’s large amounts of freely licensed content.
There is enough freely licensed content to make whatever you want. I have no trouble at all making websites and comic books and video games using freely licensed content.
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Yeah I paid for em too
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I never claimed this distinction, and I don’t think it’s a meaningful point.
I’m saying that I pay for art. These companies don’t, but more to the point, they seek to undermine their source once they’ve extracted all the training data they need. I’d go so far as to say it’s in poor taste to use free art, because it should be patently obvious that most artists putting out free art, did not anticipate its use by devices that let you bypass artists entirely.
There’s an alternate way that this could have all gone down: after some internal testing, we could have simply asked artists to volunteer their work for the project of training. There are enough people excited about the tech that this would have been plenty! It just wouldn’t have let companies rush for market share, and hope the business utility would gloss over any ethical qualms in the aftermath.
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With the right tools and resources all content on the internet becomes freely available.
If Ais were capable of invention and creation, I might agree. But they aren’t. They regurgitate what they are modeled on.
We don’t teach AIs, they don’t learn, there’s no university, there’s no fundamentals. We just have models that reproject. They take the training data, mix it all up, and then project it out again.
There is use to that, but gpt isn’t a child. It can not learn, comprehend, or understand. It’s a tool, and as a tool, it depends heavily on the work created by others.
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No, humans learn, ais regurgitate. There is a distinct difference.
You cant really compare like that, learning is an input and regurgitating is an output.
Humans learn and regurgitate much the same as an AI learns and regurgitates.
A human can only output things based on input it’s received in the past. Try imagining a new color. Any color you could possibly come up with is just some combination of colors that already exist. By painting with purple are you not “regurgitating” the work of red and blue?
Okay so according to your logic, it is impossible for us to have this conversation. No human could’ve invented those things, therefore they can’t exist.
Or are you saying humans can learn, but our capacity for that is greatly amplified by the knowledge humanity gave us?
If it’s the latter, yeah, we’re standing on the shoulders of giants. But AI is fundamentally different, that’s the point of the comment above.
AI could never in however many million years get to the point humanity has gotten to, because we humans learn, and AIs don’t. They would stagnate without humans even if they could train from each other.
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