China using families as 'hostages' to quash Uyghur dissent abroad
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Refugees and activists tell the BBC intimidation tactics are tearing apart Uyghur communities overseas.
  • mim@lemmy.sdf.org
    1510·
    1 year ago

    Imagine thinking Chinese workers own the means of production, or not even knowing where the term “tankie” comes from.

    • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
      129·
      1 year ago

      The term tankie comes from the 1956 hungarian revolution/counter-revoluton (depending on who you ask) which split the British communist party, those that supported the Soviet Union suppressing it with the military were called tankies.

      The video of the man in front of the tank column related to the June 4th incident did not result in the man standing in front of the tank dying, and those tanks were leaving the area where the violence occurred and is not where the word tankie comes from like I believe you are suggesting.

      • mim@lemmy.sdf.org
        28·
        1 year ago

        No, I was suggesting that tankie came to describe USSR supporters (which modern apologists project onto Russia, as if the wall never fell). I am aware of the origin of the term.

        My comment was a reply on people supporting whatever Russia and China do. It takes a jab at both.

        • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
          45·
          1 year ago

          No, I was suggesting that tankie came to describe USSR supporters

          No, it started that way? Do you mean started to be more all encompassing? I literally explained the origin of the term one comment ago. Also, I dont see how this

          " Imagine thinking Chinese workers own the means of production, or not even knowing where the term “tankie” comes from. "

          -can mean what you say you meant.

          (which modern apologists project onto Russia, as if the wall never fell).

          Anyone who has researched the USSR enough to cut through capitalist propaganda knows Russia is now a neolib-ish bourgeois democracy.

          • mim@lemmy.sdf.org
            24·
            1 year ago

            No, it started that way? Do you mean started to be more all encompassing?

            So, didn’t the term come to describe people who support the USSR imperialist practices by rolling into countries with tanks?

            Anyone who has researched the USSR enough to cut through capitalist propaganda knows Russia is now a neolib-ish bourgeois democracy.

            Have you ever seen anything written by the average lemmy tankie? They will defend Russia because it’s not the US.

            If the US invades a middle eastern country because of “terrorists”, the true motive is oil (which I don’t disagree with). But if Russia invades Ukraine because they could potentially become a competitor petrol state in Europe more aligned with the EU, then it’s actually “nazis”.

            • GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml
              1·
              1 year ago

              They will defend Russia because it’s not the US.

              Taking this at face value, that is still extremely different from “defend Russia because they believe in the intrinsic merit of the Soviet project” as you suggested before. The liberal mobsters who took over Russia tried to join the NATO club but were rejected, and the current situation is in many respects a consequence of that.

            • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
              44·
              1 year ago

              Have you ever seen anything written by the average lemmy tankie? They will defend Russia because it’s not the US.

              No, they will defend Russia’s actions because they understand the lead up to the war. The coup, the ceasefire violations, the waves of ethnically russian ukrainian refugees. And because they understand that the west expending itself on unfavorable terms is good for multipolarity and for the people the west would have otherwise used those weapons on.