• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    Insulting me doesn’t explain how Biden could end the filibuster when Manchin was dead set against it. Why do you think he could whip those two senators on ending the filibuster when he couldn’t even do it to get his agenda passed without making huge concessions?

    Also, why on Earth do you think whipping senators is the president’s job when there is literally a person called the majority whip?

    I mean if you aren’t aware of that, and you don’t seem to be, I’m not sure you should be insulting other people about their civics knowledge.

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      Do you think Trump gave a shit about the opinion of 1 senator or that his whip tells him what they’re going to do with strategy? Do you think the whip has equal influence as the President in party leadership? Do you think any successful president has operated without heavy strategic coordination and oversight to Congressional leadership?

      All of what you are saying is literally factual, but it’s incomplete and naive to how party politics works. Biden is ineffective because he can’t direct his own party. Blame Manchin, Sinema, or Houdini if you want, but an effective leader would have succeeded in bringing them in line.

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        1 year ago

        Can you give an example of Trump getting the senate to do what he wanted when a majority of senators was against it please?

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            1 year ago

            So your example of Trump forcing the senate to do something they were against while president is an article about something that happened a year after he was president? I’m not even sure what the relevant part of that article is.

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              1 year ago

              He has more influence as an ex-president than Biden did in year 1

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                This is what I asked:

                Can you give an example of Trump getting the senate to do what he wanted when a majority of senators was against it please?

                How is that article an example of such a thing? Can you quote the relevant portion please?

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                  The entire point of whipping is influence and coercion and not literal power enunciated in a charter, bylaw, constitution, or parliamentary procedure you seem to be looking for.

                  Like McConnell, Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, a friend and ally of the former president, was clear in his denunciation of Trump immediately following the Jan. 6 attack.

                  “All I can say is count me out. Enough is enough,” he’d said then.

                  On Thursday, however, Graham, who remains close to Trump, marked the occasion with a mix of shock and partisan attacks.

                  The author does on to describe the “GOP’s transformation into the Party of Trump” but Trump didn’t do any of this by some manipulation of enumerated power as taught in high school civics about the separation of powers. He did it by appealing to voters and forcing Senators to follow him.

                  Biden can’t appeal to Democrats on things the public already favors because he is a poor leader.

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                    Again, this is what I asked for:

                    Can you give an example of Trump getting the senate to do what he wanted when a majority of senators was against it please?

                    You showed me him changing Lindsay Graham’s mind.

                    That is not what I asked for.

                    The fact is, you cannot produce what I ask for because the president does not control the senate.