What terrifies me about this is that there are no regulations or laws in place that say how long this tech that is implanted into people must be supported. Those poor people who got the bionic eye implants are now left with no replacement parts or support after the company went under, leaving those with implants that still work seeing with borrowed time.
Our right to repair and IP ownership laws are not ready for the cybernetic revolution
It’ll be like Cyberpunk 2077: “Why repair when you could just get new stuff?” That’s basically a quote from V too, as you find the possibly last repair shop in Night City. Took me by surprise…
I mean, my fridge (hitachi) has a condensation problem and was giving the error code thingy. The guys came down and quoted 1k+ to bring it back and fix it. I’m like. Literally can get a new fridge! At this point really, what should I do?
Edit: it’s a 9 year old fridge
Man, if right to repair laws were better for all industries, I’m sure the costs wouldn’t be this high either :/
That problem will always exist to some degree. We want good access to the ability to repair (in our laws, in how things are engineered or designed, in our supply chains and in industry support, in our cultural expectations, etc.), but there will always be certain types of repairs that will cost more than manufacturing a new one from scratch.
Sometimes repairing some component will take more work than the entire component is worth. For example, the extreme example of a stripped screw shows us that replacing a stripped screw is cheaper and easier than trying to re-machine that same chunk of metal back into a screw shape.
Or some types of breakage just can’t be repaired practically. A torn piece of paper can be taped back together, but it isn’t quite the same as a new piece of paper.
Or the repair might require work done on a particular place that makes that labor more expensive. Welding a leaking pipe might be slower and more expensive than replacing that pipe, if the leak happens to be in a place that is hard to access. Or, as you learned, paying for a repairman to drive from one place to another with the right part might cost more than just the general cost of delivery of the whole thing.
Often, troubleshooting will take a skilled troubleshooter much more time, and their time is worth more than the cost of replacing the broken thing, perhaps by a less skilled technician.
As the price of a thing goes down compared to the cost of the labor to fix it, the calculus of whether a particular repair is worth the cost is going to shift towards replacement rather than repair. And that’s not always a bad thing, as it usually means the thing is getting more affordable, or people’s time is getting more valuable.
My car isn’t even getting updates anymore and it’s fewer than ten years old. I’ll never put tech in my body until it’s legally required to be supported, and also open source so I can support it
With neural implants open source is not the main issue. Sure, it’s nice, but it’s not like I’m gonna do a brain surgery because I did RTFM.
There are pacemakers with bugs shocking hearts incorrectly and companies can’t help. They’re bust or don’t have the copyright to the code or just won’t help - buy our new product next year.
It’s not difficult to imagine malicious brain implants when the users are not in control. Being open source, or rather “free software”, is equally a main issue.
There are pacemakers with bugs shocking hearts incorrectly, and companies can’t help.
Do you have a source for that? I work with these pacemaker companies fairly frequently, and I’m not aware of this, and a quick search didn’t turn up anything.
Karen Sandler of the Software Freedom Conservancy has a “pacemaker defibrillator” for her large heart, and has done a few talks about it. I just read that a defibrillator is not usually included as part of “pacemaker” so I may have misspoke.
Original talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XDTQLa3NjE
Follow-up talk 6 years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2FNqXhr4c8
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The tldr is some portion of pregnant women get a condition which makes their heart look like it needs to be shocked by the pacemakers defibrillator. This has not been accounted for in part because most women who get pacemakers defibrillator are elderly and so won’t get pregnant. Besides that, testing devices on pregnant people isn’t a thing (for good reason).
Perhaps not, but it would make it far easier for any sympathetic brain surgeon you managed to find who was willing to try and fix the problem for you.
The key thing is not needing that specific company to help, but needing generic expert assistance is fine
I wonder if companies should be forced to provide a product’s core tech diagrams, material science, and major code base revisions to a kind of escrow, which is then released when the product is sunsetted.
That would be ideal. If you’re not going to support it anymore, then you shouldn’t be allowed to keep the knowledge of it locked up.
We also should have laws on other medical implants (ex. stents etc.), so there is a pathway to getting these regulations in
We just need them yesterday
People are not too bright I’m afraid. I feel sorry for them, but it is what it is…
Some people are just desparate.
Not too bright?
If you lost your vision, would you not consider a bionic eye if it could restore your sight? Your independence?
Have you ever seen that video of the blind child struggling to learn how to step down a curb into the road? How tense it was watching this adorable little kid struggle to navigate something that we take entirely for granted? Now imagine doing that for everything.
Learn to cook some basic meals for yourself, burn your finger every time you make a cup of coffee or tea because you put a finger in the lip to feel when it’s full. (Or use the little alarm you hang over your cup that makes a terrible squeal when water hits it.)
Remember to pin socks together when you take them off so you don’t lose the match in the wash and need to ask someone to help you match them.
Mark the settings on every appliance from your washer to your microwave because they all use seamless buttons and dials. Mix up your shampoo and conditioner every time you forget to put them in the same place.
Hire someone to do the most basic tasks for you because you cannot see to properly scrub surfaces or sweep and mop, you can be methodical and keep things mostly ok, but to find the bits that need a scrub?
Have to take public transport and navigate the endless construction and idiots who leave scooters and cars parked on the sidewalk.
https://www.tiktok.com/@jemmabrown8/video/7159318917033282821
A blind person is not “dull” because they took a chance to have their sight restored, rather, we are not too bright for failing to regulate these new technologies to protect those people who depend on them.
Every safety rule and regulation is written in blood. Those at the forefront of these new technologies will not regulate themselves, it is up to us to keep them in check.
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Yes of course. If desperate, then of course people would sign up for this.
This whole thing sucks because this kind of tech has the potential to be revolutionary. For people with paralysis, or those experiencing vision loss due to eye issues, the tech to interface nerves with sensors and inputs will be absolutely revolutionary. On the other hand, Musk has a terrible track record with safety and regulation, develops tech by abusing researchers and workers with unrealistic timelines and expectations, overpromises and under delivers, and responds with hostility to even the most measured criticism. Having his name tied to the version of this tech leading the news cycle will paint it in a dystopian light, raising the regulatory bar to “panic” levels with no nuance, and will likely result in pushing more realistic approaches to the tech back a significant amount of time, hurting those it would help most.
Absolutely agree.
Musk is running twitter into the ground. He’s already destroyed Tesla with his decisions around self-driving, it just seems the markets haven’t cottoned on yet to how grossly overvalued the company is. OpenAI is looking to be a mess.
You’re absolutely right that this technology has massive potential, and Musk is definitely not the guy to deliver it.
My thoughts exactly. This tech has amazing implications for people with paralysis and other disorders that prevent the use of their body. It sucks that this egomaniacal asshole is the one controlling it’s development
How on earth did Musk manage to get the proper authorization for testing on humans???
Anyway, I hope everything goes well for the patient. Those reports about the monkeys planted horrible images in my mind.Lol. Lmao even.
About as soon as should have gotten any rights to publish any cars. At all.
I wish the patient, scientists, and doctors success. I’m very concerned about the safety record for Neuralink, but I desperately hope they turned things around and that this patient responds well.
This tech has existed for decades, musk is just trying to shrink it.
I remember early 90s hearing about paralyzed patients who could control a mouse and keyboard through an implant.
It was mostly for bed ridden patients, so no one tri d to shrink it. Musk is billing this as a medical device, but the only reason to shrink it, is for people that dont need it.
He’s predicting regular healthy people using it, so he’s dumping crazy money into this. And there just isn’t a big enough consumer base for it, even if it wasn’t musk making it.
So even if it works, he ain’t making money from it.
If the documentary ghost in the shell taught us anything, this that most everyone will have some level of cyberization in the future. Staying fully biological will be seen as a liability.
“At last we have invented the Torment Nexus, from the classic sci fi novel, Do Not Invent the Torment Nexus.”
There’s a market for this if the tech is good enough and the side effects and reversibility are reasonable. I don’t think it’s particularly likely that Musk is the person to make it happen, but Doc Ock my shit up when it’s ready.
If the technology functions properly, patients with severe degenerative diseases like ALS could someday use the implant to communicate or access social media by moving cursors and typing with their minds.
“Imagine if Stephen Hawking could communicate faster than a speed typist or auctioneer,” Musk wrote. “That is the goal.”
This are the most depressing, appalling and stupid remarks that could come from someone developing this technology.
Shrinking it would be very useful for people that have disabilities that don’t leave them bedridden.
Hopefully they have other options than Muskshit. Anything he touches is unsafe
How long until the first subjects start beating their skulls against a wall like the chimps did?
One Muskrat down regardless
The people signing up for this suffer from serious illness and probably doing it out of desperation, not some adoration for musk.
Personally there is no level of desperation that could get me to let a Nazi put a chip in my brain, but fair enough.
if I were almost completely paralysed and someone promised me being able to interface with a computer, I think I’d at least consider the offer.
Reminds me of a blind person that received an experimental eye implant to help them see, and the implant suddenly shut down while they’re walking outside because the startup went out of business.
I’ll implant a bullet in my head before any tech directly touches my neurons.
But you can be a cyberpunk!
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You’d be Elon’s cyberpunk, though.
more like cyberbitch
Learn some computer security, get yourself a secondhand laptop and a shitty hoodie. There, you’re cyberpunk.
No potential brain melting wetware needed.
“I’ll implant a bullet in somebody’s head before any tech directly touches my neurons.”
fixed
Guessing you’re not a paraplegic?
FIRST MUSK MURDER/MANSLAUGHTER VICTIM TO BE REVEALED IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS….
FIRST
Fam, the Teslas have been manslaughtering around for a while.
the driver is the crumple-zone~
I still laugh when I remember that for years they kept saying that the auto pilot was turned off every time some tesla crashed, until it was finally revealed that the auto pilot turns off automatically when it detects an imminent crash it can’t avoid.
Do you want the autopilot to keep driving after a crash is detected? Turn off right before a crash is the only surefire way to make sure the fscking engine turns off before the crash which could cause control signals to get fubar and not disengage.
Autopilot could kill the engine and lock the brakes without turning itself off. By turning itself off and giving control to a human mere instants before a crash it’s effectively ensuring the engine isn’t turned off (as there’ll be no time to do it before the crash, and the human may not be in a fit state to do it afterwards).
But more to the point, regardless of whether there’s a good reason for it to do that or not, it shouldn’t be used to claim on a “technicality” that autopilot wasn’t active “at the time of the crash”, as clearly it meaningfully was at all points leading up to it.
It is giving control of the car to the driver without enough time for a human to react to anything. I understand why there’s nothing the autopilot can do but then blaming the driver for not fixing the situation in the 200ms they have is stupid.
It’s a system that has full blame on the driver to beginwith so what exactly are you trying to say? Driver has blame the whole time. In the fraction of a second before impact, the automated system turns off as a safety precaution to reduce the impact as much as possible.
No, it turns off to disregard legal blame. Everything that the autopilot is turning itself off for right before a crash, is something that not only can be done with the autopilot on, but the autopilot can do faster, safer and better than a human. For as much as counts at that point.
Do you think the first subject is actually an Elon simp, or are they ethical enough to weed them out?
We both know the answer very well, don’t we…
This is so depressing…
Maybe shocking the brain of Elon simps will fix their broken brains.
You have to watch 2 15seconds advertisements before you sleep.
Every 2 years number of adds will increase by one and lenght by 5 second.
Have a nice hell in a retirement home.
We will going to see some adblockers soon.
Give it 10 years and open source will have something not as good, but good enough. Then we won’t have to deal with all the extra ads of the normal devices. We will be able to side load some cool new upgrade, while the rest will have to change models to the Brain Master 21 to access a slightly better feature.
Elon may be the first to commercialize this tech for the masses but there is no way he will be the only one who makes one of these devices.
I imagine that scenario, for us might be weird cyberpunk-ish world. Thats the power and the philosophy of open source.
My mind is blown enough by the “what if we already have this in our heads from birth and it’s controlling everything we see and we just don’t know it” thought experiment to ever voluntarily do something like this. But I hope everyone is fine.
Antivaxxer mindset
Or watched the matrix.
Or read Renée Descartes.
All the conspiracy nuts are right, but about the wrong people. It’s not Bill Gates trying to control you with microchips, it’s Elon Musk.
As someone who would be open to modifying my mind, not with shitty Musk tech. Not with cars rated like his and rockets that fail regularly.
Try psychedelics.
