Is there a way to shop around for a Lemmy instance based on how many instances are blocking it and how many instances it’s blocking? For example, I noticed that the lemmygrad.ml instance is relatively popular, but it seems like a lot of other instances block it. It also blocks a bunch of other instances. So, if there are any communities on there that might be relevant to me then I would be missing out. I guess I could just create an account on a walled instance, but I would prefer not to keep creating accounts. I’d like to just find one instance that maximizes my access. Is the answer to just run my own instance?
tbh, there is no such instance. Not blocking any other instances is often a reason to be blocked by other instances.
An instance that blocks no one is in effect a “free” speech instance that prioritises the right to be bigoted over the need to provide safe spaces for folk. And that means that instances that value the need for safe spaces over “free” speech are going to block the instances that don’t block anyone else as a means of creating and maintaining that safe space.
U might want to take a look at the federation map. It might be a bit overwhelming but in the settings on the bottom left you may chose blocked and allowed in order to get some insights on who federates with whom.
Oh wow what did lemmygrad.ml do?
They’re just generally annoying. They’re tankies, constantly praising Putin and the CCP.
Basically sums it up really, although it’s great fun to drop in and stir up shit every so often.
They’re completely off the deep end though.
I hate linking you to reddit but this post came to mind Choosing an instance; and my issues with lemmygrad
Deny and or support genocide, for one thing
@[email protected] linked one reddit post while I was searching for this one, so here it is anyway:
And here’s the OG mastodon post from fedi.tips:
https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379
Make sure to “Show More” on each post in the thread, including the replies. I thought it was all spamming the same post for a minute, lol.
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Be mindlessly propagandistic “communist.” The countries they fawn over aren’t even particularly communist, they’re just authoritarian. Russia in particular is run by capitalist oligarchs.
It’s just tiresome and pointless engaging with them.
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It’s fine to be offended that they called you propagandised, but that doesn’t make it less offensive to immediately say the same thing back to them. You are both insulting each other, it’s not helping the Lemmygrad situation.
There is no “lemmygrad situation”, it’s gaslighting lemmy by liberals getting wind in the sails with reddit refugees and attacking us all the time. note this basically didn’t happen at all before, they just blocked us and maybe badmouthed in their dens, i don’t care, i;m not going there. The arguments we had on lemmy were heated but not resembling current offensive.
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I’m not speaking about you specifically, I have no idea who you are. I’m talking about lemmygrad in general. Just like the person you were responding to was talking about. He asked “what did lemmygrad.ml do?” And I’m clarifying that.
It’s not that lemmygrad.ml is simply “communist.”
This dude is sealioning you, block and move one.
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They’re not sealioning, they’re responding to a bunch of strong, reasonably insulting allegations. Maybe not responding gracefully, but they’re not sealioning.
In fact, I don’t even think it’s possible for one reply to be sealioning, the whole point is that it’s repetitive harassment (as stated in the wiki link you posted). That’s why the original comic strip that defined it has so many panels.
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I’m not basing my statement off of any experience with Marxism-leninism. I’m basing it off of my experience with lemmygrad posters here on Lemmy. For example, this thread about the Tienanmen Square anniversary. I don’t particularly care about the specific political ideologies on display.
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I don’t have the answer but I share your sentiment.
One thing I hated about reddit is the mods would ban you for participating on certain subs. For instance, I got banned from r/WhitePeopleTwitter for commenting in a r/Conservative thread. (I was actually disagreeing with someone, but that’s neither here nor there.)
The Fediverse feels like a worse version of that phenomenon. Entire communities are blocked off from each other by the admins of the instance. I fear that Lemmy might become a disjointed group of echo-chambers. Some might argue that reddit already is.
I don’t think that your concerns will happen. As the fediverse could be easy replicated and it is no problem to run an own instance federating with whatever you want AND be part of the rest.
My guess is that we will see more instances with different tastes if I may call it this.
By using tools like kbin you are also free to assamble the fediverse you want without the need to follow a single instance only.
Some folks think that defederation is a bad thing. OK.
Here’s a little experiment you can try at home.
- Stop using GMail, Hey, or whatever email service you’re currently using.
- Set up your own mail server (there’s instructions on the internet).
- When the instructions say to use a Remote Black List just ignore them.
- When the instructions say to validate domains, ignore those too.
- When the instructions say to set up SPF, DKIM, and DMARC just let those slide.
- Try to send / receive email
- Also try to read your inbox. For added benefit turn on all notifications for received mail.
Voila. Now you have an unfettered email experience.
And this, class, is why defederation is useful.
Please send your comments to the overworked TA in the back of the room.
Is running your own Lemmy instance as difficult as an email server?
probably not, but you’d get the same amount of horrible stuff as you’d get if you turned off all the security precautions on an email server. the point i’m making here by quoting Maloney is that blocking is a security precaution. less is more, and by joining an instance that doesn’t block anyone, you’re exposing yourself to a lot of terrible stuff. besides, instances that don’t block get blocked themselves, so horrible stuff would be all you’d see
Edit: apparently lemmygrad is much worse than I realized
The only caveat I have to this is that being communist shouldn’t be an automatic block. Lemmy.ml doesn’t block lemmygrad and I see no reason why it should, the posts I see are like “wow capitalism is fucking us up” not like “Tiananmen did nothing wrong and let’s repeat it x1000” so it really doesn’t seem comparable to proactively blocking Nazis. If you block “both sides” of a violent conflict like, say, the war in Ukraine, you’ve suddenly blocked everyone with a useful opinion.
Have you read Lemmygrad’s sidebar at all? They describe themselves as Tienanmen Square truthers, are openly pro-DPRK, and fully support genocide in the name of Communism. They exemplify everything bad people say about tankies and they take great pride in it.
Wanting to cut out tankies and Nazis is NOT being a radical centrist who wants to “both sides” every issue, it’s just being a normal human being who doesn’t have bees in their head.
Ahh no I access Lemmy via the mobile app. Thanks for the information, I’ll be blocking them.
Lemmygrad isn’t blocked because of their views, it’s blocked because it’s a massive troll farm. the posts that you see don’t include the replies they make to posts which they deem not communist enough, where they sealion and argue in bad faith until the op is driven out
And that doesn’t apply to liberals and every other ideology on this site? Every person has a political view which affects their opinions
if a liberal/anarchist/not-ML instance popped up and started behaving like Lemmygrad does, they’d get mass-defederated too. like i said, it’s not their views they got defederated for, it’s their behavior
Behaviour like what though? Disagreeing? I don’t even know what ‘sealioning’ means, it basically seems like just saying ‘this person has different fundamental assumptions to me therefore they’re acting in bad faith’.
lemmy.ml is also run by communists, as are quite a few other instances, I imagine. No one’s really saying that communists should be blocked.
But lemmygrad is specifically a vanguard edgelord site. Even those of us who are communists don’t necessarily want to deal witih /c/GenZedong.
Plus, I left the instance I host for me and my friends open to lemmygrad, and I had people from the server create accounts and just bulk subscribe to communities there.
It’s not the communism people are blocking it for.
I saw a lot of tianamen didn’t happen, CCP worship, etc on there for the first few days after I registered, which is a bit problematic.
I wound up blocking them after a couple days, more because I don’t care about a tiny fringe movement (in my country), and don’t have any interest in their content.
If instance ‘A’ has already blocked instance ‘B’, what does it matter to ‘A’ whether or not any other instances have also blocked ‘B’? Would the admin have to go far out of their way to block the instances that don’t block ‘B’ or is there a way to do it automatically?
they would have to go out of their way, but it’s bad practice to block because of guilt by association. most instances have internal federation guidelines that are somewhat looser than their own rules, but still include a baseline level of decency. so an instance that doesn’t allow nsfw content would federate with an instance that does (even if they wouldn’t allow images to federate) as long as they don’t go all freezepeach or harass everyone
Now I want to see what the results of that are lol
depends, If you ignore all the outgoing things, like SPF, DKIM, DMARC, etc. Your outgoing emails will always go into spam or disappear completely.
If you follow all the outgoing things but ignore the inbound mail checking, you will get quite a bit of spam. I run my own email server and instead of blocking bad incoming emails I just send then to the spam folder. I usually receive about 2-4 spam email a day, usually it’s just marketing crap or it’s a single link with some cutout of a wikipedia article to avoid spam detectors, and sometimes it’s trying to extort you. I find it fun to read them sometimes, one time I got an email saying I missed a payment for my domain name but they got the amount of VAT wrong AND the maths on the subtotal. Some of them are comicality bad. but not quite the flood you might expect. If more people where on my email server or if I signed up to any shitty website I came across I’m sure it would be a lot worse though.
