Update:
The comments from this post will not be removed as to preserve the discussion around the announcement. Any continued discussions outside of this thread that violate server rules will be removed. We feel that everyone that has an opinion, and wanted to vent, has been heard.

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Original post:
Yesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The announcement thread can be found here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770. After reviewing the thread and the comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our rules.

Our code of conduct and server rules can be found here.

The announcement included several concerning statements, as highlighted below:

  • “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.”
  • “The West’s role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.”
  • “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.”

The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology.

In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected.

Here are some examples:

“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”

“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.”

Overall community comments:

To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made.

Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected.

We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our community.

    • Fapp@lemmynsfw.com
      72·
      11 months ago

      If your “views” are just thinly veiled racism, bigotry, and religious extremism, then you don’t desrve the oxygen you consume, let alone a platform to voice your “opinions” on. The paradox of intollerance makes it very clear that these actions are neccasary.

      • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml
        92·
        11 months ago

        you see we’re open about that. Don’t come to our instance and call us tankies or spout off some other capitalism apologia and you won’t get banned. Here it’s obvious they’re defederating from Hexbear for ideological reasons but tried to couch it in some “doesn’t follow the code of conduct!” bs but they didn’t actually give good reasoning for what rules they’re not following, they linked a couple comments that weren’t even related to federation and a couple more of which I’m extremely lost as to why they’re even linked, this is the exact same thing Beehaw did when it included us in the list of instances it was blocking for “hate-speech”. Like just say it with your chest it would be way less annoying and smarmy that way

          • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml
            85·
            11 months ago

            yes you’re right I’ve just realized this is the ONE time western media isn’t lying about something the US is involved with militarily you’re so smart!!!

            Sarcasm aside I would accept that more than this “explanation” they gave, once again at least that’s saying it with your chest

              • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml
                72·
                11 months ago

                yes I specifcally got my evil tankie friends to upvote this comment and leave my previous comment in the negative, glad you could get to the bottom of the case

                  • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml
                    52·
                    11 months ago

                    I’ve been pretty good faith in my interactions in this thread, kept my temper for the most part. This is about as bad as it would get in .world threads.

                  • CarlMarks@lemmygrad.ml
                    21·
                    11 months ago

                    That tends to happen when you approach a situation with bad faith, yeah. Consider changing your outlook rather than blaming others for it.

                    PS read my books

    • GoodEye8@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      11 months ago

      Have you read the rules of Lemmygrad? Literally the first rule of the instance.

      No capitalist apologia / anti-communism.

      Having a different viewpoint is literally against the rules of Lemmygrad. You’re allowed to suck the toes of Putin and say “DEATH TO NATO” but the moment you say anything remotely bad about USSR are you’re already on the watchlist of getting banned. How about you be critical about the very instance you’re from before you go crying about others considering defederating from you.

      Really. Think about how fucking vague that rule is. I guarantee people (probably you included considering the community you moderate) in Lemmygrad believe NATO to be a apparatus created by the capitalist US to spread their “capitalist” imperialism which means talking about anything in favor of NATO is capitalist apologia. But when we turn it around and have capitalist Russia spread “capitalist” imperialism, not only is that NOT capitalist apologia but people in Lemmygrad actually support the imperialism of capitalist Russia, like it doesn’t contradict their beliefs AT ALL. Literally the only difference, from the anti-capitalist anti-imperialist point of view, between Russia and the US is that the US does their imperialism under the NATO umbrella while Russia doesn’t even try to hide their imperialism. Yet defending one is probably a bannable offense while defending the other is not just fine but actively promoted.

      • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml
        81·
        11 months ago

        in Lemmygrad believe NATO to be a apparatus created by the capitalist US to spread their “capitalist” imperialism which means talking about anything in favor of NATO is capitalist apologia

        stalin chad yes balloon

        Begging you to read Lenin so you know what we mean when we say imperialism, it’s not “when mean country does mean thing”

    • DrQuint@lemmy.worldEnglish
      32·
      11 months ago

      Reddit never did this, otherwise the communities barely hiding the fact they do hate brigades such as /r/conservative would have been banned.

      You’re just a professional victim.