• Dyskolos
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    9 months ago

    Then name one person who ever reached true power by being good and then remained good. Maybe you could even name one, but could you name three? Yet the list of people that would rather proove that point is easy to fill to the brim.

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      9 months ago

      Most people who are good don’t make the news, but unironically: MrBeast, Jesus, and Bernie Sanders

      Never thought I’d put any two of those people in the same category lmao

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        Wow, what a combination. But sorry, a youtuber that earns his money by being “good” and is literally living off this “making news” isn’t really counting in my book.

        Jesus… Dunno about some figure that might or might not have existed in this or another way. Hard to argue.

        Sanders… I’m no American so i don’t know enough about the guy, other than that he want the good changes. But who cares, he won’t make it. Good people never get power. That’s the point. You’ll probably end with clown-face-billionaire-pedo again.

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          Yeah I made this hard mode with my choices lol

          a youtuber that earns his money by being “good” and is literally living off this “making news” isn’t really counting in my book.

          Why not? He’s basically a walking nonprofit organization. He makes videos of spending the money to make more money through ad revenue and merch sales, but that earned money is reinvested into future charity. I wasn’t able to find specifics, but it’s a significant amount (several million, multiple times). Is he also enjoying being a celebrity? Yeah, probably. But that doesn’t mean he’s not both good and powerful.

          Sanders won’t get in power

          I mean, he was fairly close to being the democratic presidential nominee, and he’s a pretty productive government member even now. He’s always had a very clear positive stance on things like gay marriage and other democratic policies, even far back into his early career when those were much less popular.

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            Sorry, it’s hard to trust someone to be “good” when being good is actually the source of income. If it pays a sociopath to be nice, he’d be nice. Until it stops being beneficial. Doesn’t mean he COULD be nice. I don’t know the guy personally :)

            Sanders might be nice, and also productive right now. But a look on how incredibly bad the USA looks to the world, i highly doubt he will REALLY do anything. Even if he has good intentions, it sadly doesn’t matter much. Though, everytime I read something about/from him, I always was like “why the fuck don’t they get THIS guy to run this shithole?! why do they want the assclown instead?!”.

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              Why people want Trump in office is just as baffling to us 😔

              I don’t think it’s fair to discount goodness just because it’s also beneficial to the person doing it. How would you ever be good full-time if it didn’t? Aren’t good politicians doing the same thing? What about the people working for charities that pay them? Anyone inventing something actually useful for the common person while getting a paycheck? You’re restricting “good” to be only charity.

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                I’d say it’s a difference between being good which benefits myself too and basing a life on it. If you do something just to do good, you might be doing good, but aren’t good. As said, that mindset might quickly turn around if there’s suddenly no benefit to being good anymore. Sure, you could argue that the motivation to do good doesn’t matter as long as good is done. But, as said, it’s just so very volatile and setting no example for others.

                As to charities…i had consulted two very big ones here and i said fuck-them and left after some days. Having access to their complete data made me puke. Up to that point I always thought charities were cool. But just to point out one:

                • 2 CEOs driving fat company-cars, on “company”-trip every week (london for a nice dinner etc)
                • The cellar was full of assets of old people’s inheritance. At least double-digit millions of paintings, gold, jewelry, motorbikes, cars…
                • “charity” moved for the 3rd time in 2yrs, buying the third multi-million-building.
                • a whole division of lawyers to threaten people
                • a whole division of marketing-gurus to talk old people into leaving their inheritance to them. And boy you would be wondering how good that works.
                • tons of things more, nobody gave a fuck about anyway

                Yes, they also did good things with their “income”. But literally >95% was for the “overhead”. The only good thing was that employees are basically non-fire-able. They even keep alcoholics who rarely show up, just to avoid negative publicity. Most of the people working there don’t even do anything anymore. They just spend the day surfing. Salaries were shit though. But if you got a job there, you would essentially be set for life.

                The other “charity” wasn’t much different, i left even earlier with a “fuck you, i won’t work for you”. Sure, maybe there ARE good charities, who spend >80% for the charity not the “overhead”, but I don’t have to time to find out, hence i never donated a single cent anymore except tiny local associations i know (and work with/for).