• stoy
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        I am sorry to have to tell you this, but history doesn’t have a starting date as a concept.

        The maidan protests were hugely important and is not just fake propaganda.

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      Let’s be clear: your claim is that no fighting occurred before Russia’s invasion in 2022?

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        No? That is exactly why I didn’t enter a date in my post…

        Putte did attack Crimea in 2014, that is what I consider the start of the current conflict.

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          Putte? Is this some language thing or an infantile baby name a la Putler?

          The roots of the conflict lie in the illegal dissolution of the Soviet Union

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          If Japan, South Korea or whoever suddenly had a Chinese backed coup and took control of US naval bases in their country, what do you think the US response would be?

          Because that’s exactly what happened in Ukraine. US backed coup, Russia moves in to Crimea to secure it’s black sea naval base.

          Is this the first time you are hearing this?

          Here’s another what if. What if Scotland voted for independence from the UK and became socialist or whatever. Do you think England wouldn’t seize is nuclear submarine bases north of Glasgow?

          How fucking baby brained are you?

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          You mean the conflict that literally started with the people of Donetsk and Luhansk taking up arms against a government that was explicitly shutting down their language and implementing outright oppressive laws against their ethnicities?

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      I mean, the US was stirring up shit on their doorstep for nearly a decade, backing a coup and then dangling NATO membership over the noses of the new puppet government. What did they expect to happen (p.s. they knew exactly what would happen, the US wanted a war)?

      And I mean, if the US can start wars half way across the world to protect its borders and interests I don’t think they can be too surprised if another power does the same thing in their own front yard.

      Regardless, I find the NATO malding utterly delicious. US about to lose yet another war.

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        Favourite thing about this is that he literally admitted like 30 years ago that expanding NATO will provoke a reaction from Russia eventually and was against it before he got the MIC bribes. If they were so keen on expanding NATO then they should’ve let Russia into it when Yeltsin was in power and they could’ve had the entirety of eastern Europe in their fold but they just couldn’t resist punishing the Russian people for trusting the west in the 80s.

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      You are either a deeply unserious person or you’re doing a very commited bit. I can’t decide which one it is.

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      What’s the weather like in Moscow?

      Thanks for asking, it was around +10 degrees per Celsius this afternoon, which is quite warm for this time of the year. But there is a downside as there’s melting snow everywhere.

      You know what also would have saved lives, and reduced tensions? Not going to war in the first place, the fact is that Putte was the one to attack and start this whole shitshow means that Russia is in the wrong, not Ukraine.

      This profound analysis is a real gem of modern Western thought!

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          NATO started expanding before putin was in power. In fact Joe Biden warned the US government that expanding NATO will naturally provoke Russia.

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          NATO has been the driving force in expanding NATO. Literally none would care if we didn’t have to worry about that asshole western neighbor

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          It’s also pretty silly because there are two NATO member nations closer to Moscow than Ukraine.

          But hey, I can’t imagine why the people of all these democratic nations keep voting to join a mutual defense pact. It can’t be because of anything to do with fear of being invaded by the unstable dictator next door, after all, we know the world only exists of the US and Russia and no other people could possibly have a voice in their local government or matter in any way.