Shut the fuck up and do what you are told. If you can’t find peace in knowing that someone is smarter in the field of biology and sociology, get a therapist and talk to them.
People say this and seriously don’t see how this messaging might not be all that encouraging to people.
I want more people to get vaccinated for diseases. This is not how to go about it, as society is now demonstrating.
Hey, if people don’t want to get their kids vaccinated, that should absolutely be their decision. It’s a shitty decision, but I do believe that parents should have the authority to decline.
That being said, if they choose not to vaccinate, their children should absolutely be banned from any public school or community rec league sports, or anyone else publicly funded.
And the private institutions that focus on children (day cares, private schools, etc.) should have a requirement in their license agreement where all children they serve must be vaccinated as well or else they lose their licensing.
Basically going non-vax should be handled in a way similar to how they should handle these idiot sovereign citizens: sure, you don’t have to have your vehicle registered or interacted or even plated…but if you choose not to do that, you better keep it on your own property. The minute you turn onto a public road we’re gonna throw the book at you.
I get what you’re saying, but what you’ve described isn’t really giving people a choice. Even if that choice they’re making in not vaccinating their kids is a bad one.
If you want to participate in society, follow the social contract. If you don’t want to follow the social contract, you don’t get to participate as fully in society. This applies as much to actively violating the social contract via theft and violence as it does in negligence. You have no right to risk my kids’ health for the sake of your beliefs.
Well, those unvaccinated germfactories don’t give the people with actual allergic reactions to the vaccine a choice if they come near, so there is that.
It’s absolutely a choice. It’s just a choice with consequences.
Anti-vaxxers always seem to want to have their cake and eat it too: they want to enjoy the benefits of herd immunity and participation in society without doing the things that society agrees upon to keep everyone safe and healthy.
Decisions have consequences, and those who would make decisions that put others at risk should be the ones to bear the burden of the consequences of their decisions.
How is it a choice when you can get fired for not having a vaccine? You live in a society that requires people to be employed in order to survive. If you need a vaccine to be employed, then it is not a real a choice at all.
Turn that on its head: how is it fair to every other employee who does get vaccinated, that you’re putting them all at risk with your selfish and uninformed opinion?
It’s still your choice, that’s a possible consequence.
If it really means that much to you, I guess it’d be in your best interests to find an employer that is willing to accommodate that.
The people around you shouldn’t be forced to deal with the consequences of your decisions.
Again, this is just wanting the best of both worlds and feeling entitled to get one’s way.
You could choose to get vaccinated and be able to work there. If you choose to not get vaccinated, having limited employment (etc.) options is a consequence. You can choose to put yourself at risk, but your choice does not grant you the right to put others at risk.
Yes because becoming homeless is totally a valid choice. Jesus christ, I bet you are even one of the haters of capitalism elsewhere, but can’t accept basic economic consequences here.
I’m not trying to encourage anyone. There are rules to society and people are having full on temper tantrums rather than accepting the rules. I’m just sick of fighting over things they are not qualified to assess. It is insulting to everyone that goes to school for a decade to save their life, do the research, come up with a solution and then “dO yOu KnOw WhAt’S rEaLlY iN iT?!”
The fact I live in the UK?! Seriously I am not the guy who posted that link, but I thought I would answer a basic question about the country I live in and now I am getting asked for a source? Are you serious?
People say this and seriously don’t see how this messaging might not be all that encouraging to people.
I want more people to get vaccinated for diseases. This is not how to go about it, as society is now demonstrating.
Hey, if people don’t want to get their kids vaccinated, that should absolutely be their decision. It’s a shitty decision, but I do believe that parents should have the authority to decline.
That being said, if they choose not to vaccinate, their children should absolutely be banned from any public school or community rec league sports, or anyone else publicly funded.
And the private institutions that focus on children (day cares, private schools, etc.) should have a requirement in their license agreement where all children they serve must be vaccinated as well or else they lose their licensing.
Basically going non-vax should be handled in a way similar to how they should handle these idiot sovereign citizens: sure, you don’t have to have your vehicle registered or interacted or even plated…but if you choose not to do that, you better keep it on your own property. The minute you turn onto a public road we’re gonna throw the book at you.
I get what you’re saying, but what you’ve described isn’t really giving people a choice. Even if that choice they’re making in not vaccinating their kids is a bad one.
When your choice puts others at risk, you’re damn right that there are consequences.
If you want to participate in society, follow the social contract. If you don’t want to follow the social contract, you don’t get to participate as fully in society. This applies as much to actively violating the social contract via theft and violence as it does in negligence. You have no right to risk my kids’ health for the sake of your beliefs.
Well, those unvaccinated germfactories don’t give the people with actual allergic reactions to the vaccine a choice if they come near, so there is that.
Its kind of the same choice as needed to get a driver’s license to operate a vehicle.
Wrong.
It’s absolutely a choice. It’s just a choice with consequences.
Anti-vaxxers always seem to want to have their cake and eat it too: they want to enjoy the benefits of herd immunity and participation in society without doing the things that society agrees upon to keep everyone safe and healthy.
Decisions have consequences, and those who would make decisions that put others at risk should be the ones to bear the burden of the consequences of their decisions.
How is it a choice when you can get fired for not having a vaccine? You live in a society that requires people to be employed in order to survive. If you need a vaccine to be employed, then it is not a real a choice at all.
Turn that on its head: how is it fair to every other employee who does get vaccinated, that you’re putting them all at risk with your selfish and uninformed opinion?
It’s still your choice, that’s a possible consequence.
If it really means that much to you, I guess it’d be in your best interests to find an employer that is willing to accommodate that.
The people around you shouldn’t be forced to deal with the consequences of your decisions.
Again, this is just wanting the best of both worlds and feeling entitled to get one’s way.
Wanting to survive and not end up homeless isn’t about wanting “the best of both worlds”.
I am triple Vaccinated. Stop talking as if I am an antivaxxer just for suggesting people’s livelihoods should be dependent on a medical procedure.
You could choose to get vaccinated and be able to work there. If you choose to not get vaccinated, having limited employment (etc.) options is a consequence. You can choose to put yourself at risk, but your choice does not grant you the right to put others at risk.
Yes because becoming homeless is totally a valid choice. Jesus christ, I bet you are even one of the haters of capitalism elsewhere, but can’t accept basic economic consequences here.
I’m not trying to encourage anyone. There are rules to society and people are having full on temper tantrums rather than accepting the rules. I’m just sick of fighting over things they are not qualified to assess. It is insulting to everyone that goes to school for a decade to save their life, do the research, come up with a solution and then “dO yOu KnOw WhAt’S rEaLlY iN iT?!”
You seem to be only thinking of the anti-vaxxers and the types of people who won’t get vaccinated whatever happens.
I’m talking about the people who are just apprehensive, for whatever reason that may be. Getting angry with them isn’t going to help anything.
Also, vaccine mandates for COVID were not endorsed by the doctors or scientists due to them being counter-productive to getting more people vaccinated: https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2957/rr-1#:~:text=Evidence does not justify mandatory,to informed choice | The BMJ
Untrue.
Perhaps you meant to say “some doctors and scientists advised against vaccine mandates?” Because clearly many did support them.
Who is the House of Lords? And this is from 3 years ago.
One of the British houses of Parliament
Got any recent sources?
The fact I live in the UK?! Seriously I am not the guy who posted that link, but I thought I would answer a basic question about the country I live in and now I am getting asked for a source? Are you serious?
I asked for something more recent. This study was in the beginning of the pandemic. If you want to post a link as evidence, it should be recent.
I didn’t post a link as evidence. Are you daft? I saw the question you asked and I answered it. Look at the usernames.