Western media have finally change course. They are now admitting that the much promoted Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed. In fact, the acknowledge that it never had a chance to win in the first place.
The Hill, the Washington Post and CNN now agree that the Ukrainian army will never achieve its aims.
western MSM has a rare encounter with reality!
That makes it difficult for the Biden administration to get Congress approval for $24 billion in additional ‘aid’ to Ukraine. It does not make sense to pay for a cause that is evidently lost.
b seems overly hopeful regarding the rationality of US congress, but i think hes right- why would we throw more money at them, US politicians have made it clear they do not support bringing Ukraine into NATO if they do not win this conflict. of course, US politicians are prone to lying and misleading
Nothing has come from the ‘peace conference’ which Saudi Arabia arranged on Ukraine’s behalf
lol. lmao even. props to big dog MBS for trying
Despite the onslaught of bad news the Ukrainian army is still trying to take Russian positions in the south and east of Ukraine. But it simply does not have enough in men and material to break through the lines.
Even if they would manage to get a local breakthrough there are not enough reserves to push for the necessary follow up. Just one of the NATO trained brigades has still been held back. All others have been mauled in their various deployment zones.
nothing has changed it seems
In the northeast around Kupyansk the Russians have started their own offensive which has the Ukrainians on the run. Ukraine has ordered the evacuation of the area
But Kupyansk is a Russian city and people refuse to leave.
show this to the libs claiming Russians are committing genocide in the regions they capture. curious that these civilians are content with Russian occupation when you believe what western media claims
The Russian campaign is slowly speeding up. As the Ukrainian Strana.news reports (machine translation):
Also in Ukraine, it is recorded that from Kupyansk to Bakhmut, Russia has increased the number of attacks.
"Over the past month, the total number of attacks in the Kupyansk, Limansky and Bakhmut directions has grown significantly. In July, during the week there were 6-6.5 thousand attacks, during the last week-9 thousand attacks, " - said the representative of the National Guard Ruslan Muzychuk.
According to him, the Russian Federation does not experience “shell hunger”.
Aviation is also actively used, and over the past few weeks, more than 50 air attacks have been taking place every day, and sometimes more than 80.
That is bad news for the Ukrainian side which lacks the reserves to counter the Russian onslaught. There are also less weapons coming in from the West. F-16 fighter jets will be delayed for another nine months due to training issues. Tanks and other material are in short supply.
these supply issues sure bode well for the west’s performance in WW3 
Strana also report of an interview with a knowledgeable Ukrainian soldier (machine translation):
Continuing the topic of the situation at the front, an interesting interview was given by a Ukrainian sniper fighting near Bakhmut with the call sign “Grandfather”. On the air of political scientist Yuri Romanenko, he was introduced as Konstantin Proshinsky (this is a pseudonym).
The fighter spoke in detail about his vision of the situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Russian army.
- Mobilization. In his opinion, it is conducted incorrectly. Recruits are sent to the front who have never been trained, and they are often over 50 years old and with a whole bunch of diseases.
- No rotation. The soldier says that “the same brigades” are fighting at the front, and people are not taken out of the front line for six months or more. Whereas by Western standards, they can be kept in a war zone for no more than three months.
- Behavior of mid-and high-level commanders. According to Proshinsky, many of them are trying to arrange a “mini-Stalingrad” on the positions, forcing them to go into frontal assaults on well-fortified Russian positions.
- The Russian Army began to fight better.
- Proshinsky believes that Russia has not yet used much of what it has against Ukraine.
The soldier thinks that the Russians will not move from their positions and that a stalemate peace like in Korea would be the end result.
UAF in real dire times— recruiting the elderly, poor logistics, engaging the enemy at inopportune times, and Russia has yet to waver
I believe that to be wrong. Russia’s aim is to liberate at least the four regions that it has claimed for itself. For political reasons it can not stop before that is done.
Should the Ukraine continue to fight after that, Russia is likely to set new aims and take more land.
more editorializing, but it doesnt seem unreasonable. i thought Russia would stick to its original goal of Donetsk and Luhansk, but if Zaporizhzhia and Kherson are receptive to Russian governance, it would be foolish for Russia to give them up
Disgusting waste of lives.
All of this should have fucking ended but Boris Johnson fucked it all. Fuck him and fuck all the liberals that have been spewing bloodthirsty vile shit calling for tens of thousands of lives to be wasted in a fucking meatgrinder for some lines on a map. I do not give a fuck about the Ukrainian state, I do not give a fuck about the Russian state. Lines on a map are not people.
These people deserved better than bloodthirsty assholes.
Yeah even the CIA was saying that Ukraine would be defeated in 48 hours, but Boris Johnson was so commited that he decided to go there himself and mess everyone up.
All sin starts when you treat people as things.
I’m tired of seeing people accuse us of being nationalists and then going off about how Russian orcs are subhuman and deserve to die for the crimes of their leaders. It’s still nationalism when you use national affiliation to excuse the loss of life.
stalin shouldn’t have stopped at berlin
The red army should have just kept circling the globe putting bougies and nationalists in gulags or to the wall for
years.
The counter offensive is more than a military maneuver. It’s an idea. Light itself.
And if we can harness that light to light up a high school gymnasium, to light up a Starbucks, to light up a Walmart, than perhaps we can light up the world.
POV: you are a Russian minefield
My american internet friends got so mad at me when I said at the beginning of all this that there should be an immediate ceasefire and surrender to stop the fighting and I was called an apologist for Putin and that this was an unprovoked invasion and you have to protect yourself. These people never experienced military action near their homes.
Every lib I know says this is a genocidal war (despite no proof of any intent to genocide, they just think Putin wants to massacre every Ukrainian ever) and that, responding to that report about crackdowns on draft dodgers, anyone who tries to avoid conscription is a traitor and should be treated as such.
Absolutely deranged the takes one can dig up when one is not threatened in any way.
The only side that wants to “fight to the last Ukrainian” is the NATO side, so it is kind of a genocide just perpetrated by US empire on its puppet state.
- I wouldn’t actually call it that, just making fun of libs who call basically every war now a genocide, unless the US is doing it/or supporting it
I think they saw Bucha and were like yep the whole thing is about genocide. Now imagine if they declared a genocide every time the US committed a war crime lol
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Same, I got called a Nazi for saying we shouldn’t send them “lethal aid”, as if flooding a warzone with bullets is how you get less people shot.
“But it will only be the bad people getting shot more”
Need to have more good guys with a gun after all.
…those guys with Swastikas tattoos are the good guys right?
Oh nohoho, patented Slava Ukraini, old slavic symbols!
it’s a regional dialect
an unprovoked invasion
NATO expands: I sleep
Donbass Secedes and wants to be Russian to avoid ethnic persecution from Lviv: Real shit
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And North Macedonia and Slovenia was formerly Yugoslavia anyway, so it’s hard to know if they would have chosen NATO if they were still part of Yugoslavia.
To Americans, war is no different from a movie or video game.
Unprovoked invasion is when you let right wing ghouls to ethnically cleanse members of a country’s ethnic majority in a region next door to its border and let NATO use said region as a pressure point.
Putin apologia is when you don’t want to see slavs die for NATO.
You tankies just don't get basic critical thinking smdh my dick head
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NYT is running an article today saying they are making progress https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/12/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war.html so I am not sure about western media changing course.
I do think MoA jumped the gun, tbh. There were attacks all across the front today.
NYT, famously always on the right side of history
Right or wrong isn’t the point. The point is the tune hasn’t changed.
Lazy posting on my part tbh.
It’s looking like the consensus is what’s changed. WaPo and the Hill have turned on the counteroffensive while NYT continues to beat the drum.
NYT is just lagging behind the pack.
Mod reports so far:
Reporter:
Reason: Go away tankies with your editorialized commentary
Reporter:
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Reason: propaganda
Hey @[email protected] and @[email protected] Why don’t you show up and defend your beliefs in the free marketplace of democracy instead of crying for the authoritarian Stalinist mods to silence everyone you don’t like.
This is 100% going to get y’all defederated haha I love it
Reporter:
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Why don’t you show up and defend your beliefs in the free marketplace of democracy instead of stuffing your complaints in the authoritarian Stalinist mods mailbox?
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Double whammy from @[email protected] stuffing more hatemail in the modbox. The quicker you either 1) show up and actually try and prove why you’re right and the article is wrong. or 2) stop making false mod reports over opinions you disagree with, the quicker you’ll stop getting pinged for wasting everyone’s time.
@[email protected] are you really going to keep replying to me via mod reports? Are you really that scared of saying hello or incapable of walking away from an unwinnable event?
@[email protected] this is getting boring, knock off filling my report box with your replies and we’ll call it even.
Alright @[email protected] you decided to keep going, not me.
“Mods! mods! Delete this tankie at once.”
They think this is Reddit.
support of human rights violations
Hmm maybe we should just report every pro USA comment as this?
Please don’t
Ok 😔
The burden of the left, we’re forced to comport ourselves to a higher standard because our enemies have no sense of responsibility
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If you don’t support fighting to the last Ukrainian, then you are supporting genocide of Ukrainians
Looks like Amadeus Bordiga has an account on the programming instance.
Has the programming instance eliminated the commodity form then?
comes to an instance commonly defederated because tankies
Sees tankies
OMG I DIDN’T KNOW HEXBEARS WAS ACTUALLY TANKIESWe didn’t spend all spring practicing entrenchment and ambush for nothing!
lol “editorialized”. i counted two instances of b editorializing in this otherwise well cited article. and one of those is barely editorializing, more of a hypothesis based on prior evidence that Ukraine does not have enough reserves to follow up if they happen to break the Russian line. the other is a guess of Russia’s future actions, but again, its a reasonable guess based on the current status of the Russian army and the general sentiment of civilians in Russia-occupied oblasts.
so come @[email protected] and @[email protected]. come @[email protected]. defend ur claims in the posting arena instead of cowering in the mod reports
Show me one place the Ukronazis broke through even the first line of Russian defences. I’ll wait, dorks.
I am still astounded by this part, the utter failure of Ukraine to make any substantial gains whatsoever. I never expected the counteroffensive to succeed, but with the Russian evacuations of the combat zone, and the withdrawals in Karhkiv and Kherson, I pretty much expected the UAF to be allowed to reach the 1st line of defense. The utter failure of the UAF to take only a few tiny pockets, despite their force concentration, just shows the utter failure of NATO to identify an effective doctrine.
Now, with Russia on the offensive again, I don’t really see any possibility of Ukrainian gains in the future. If the counteroffensive was supposed to improve Ukraine’s position on the negotiating table, well, this is their high tide.
It doesn’t seem like a big departure from where they’ve been for most of the war. Well before this I recall the general consensus being that Ukraine was sending out waves of unsupported light infantry and Russia was mulching them with massed artillery fire, and then the process repeated until the UA soldiers refused to advance.
NATO doesn’t really seem to have much going in terms of tactics except “lol air superiority”. A lot of their equipment is shitty and has poor mobility, and they haven’t fought any real battles since Vietnam. All they really know is air superiority, gun run, JDAM, bomb civilians, hot chip, and lie."
As far as I understand it it’s the Russians who have air superiority in Ukraine no?
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Those reports also get sent to the admins of their instance.
Wtf lmao. Poor admins
What better way to tell everyone “I don’t know how the block community button works and want to make that the mods and/or admins problem”?
Ball
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Sandi imp balls
Sandi mormon imp balls
Sandi mormon imp spy balls
Sandi mormon imp spy bubblegum balls
Erm moderators!!!
It’s pretty funny that they use the mod report button like redditors, as if this place wouldn’t have mods that toe the party line completely, rather than some guy who turned himself into a chatbot through the sheer power of propaganda.
According to Proshinsky, many of them are trying to arrange a “mini-Stalingrad” on the positions, forcing them to go into frontal assaults on well-fortified Russian positions.
Its not that I’m surprised at this point when anticommunist propaganda turns out to be projection, it’s more that im still surprised at how often it pops up
I’m not sure if I fully understood your comment, but here’s my response based on how I read it. Let me know if I’m off base.
Stalingrad was one of the worst and most destructive sieges in human history and I assume everyone in the former USSR knows about it. If your own generals are forcing you in to a hopeless frontal assault against a fortified position Stalingrad seems like an apt comparison. I refer to pretty much any well entrenched strong point as Pavlov’s House, for instance. And if I’m reading this right he’s saying his commanding officers are behaving, foolishly, like the Nazis.
Using a combined arms NATO style attack tactic for the counter offensive when Ukraine basically has no air force was certainly a very smart and good idea with no potential problems. Especially when attacking entrenched and mined Russian positions. Great idea from the NATO military commander failsons
I can only imagine the number of dead and wounded Ukrainian soldiers. This didn’t need to happen.
My friend’s Ukrainian husband just got out, but he’s still in some sort of family visa limbo. He’s story from the last two years is just trauma laden with trauma.
So much fucking senseless death and human tragedy just so the US Empire can stave off its encroaching decay a few years more.
And the ironic part is, if anything, this whole event has only accelerated its demise.
Even more ironic that the supposed ruler of the empire can’t even comprehend what’s happening because he’s a demented old fuck.
I mean Hitler was probably on as many drugs and zonked out like ol’ Joe after Kursk 1943 (read “Blitzed”, it’s so great) but a dying empire sending 1,000s to their death in minefields or a braindead 80-year old zombie… that’s gotta be a first, right?
Even more ironic that the supposed ruler of the empire can’t even comprehend what’s happening because he’s a demented old fuck.
putin is losing in iraq
The sick old man of the world.
See also: the war on terror.
The MIC raked in the dough while the USA suffered several domestic setbacks that they still haven’t recovered from. Good job, guyz!
Glad he got out. That’s something, at least.
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Jesus that’s… This whole situation is fucking awful. : (
Put yeah, propaganda slamming head long in to reality.
Why leopards, though? Are there leopards in Ukraine?
Leopard tanks were the wundwaffe of the month when the counteroffensyiv started.
Ahh, that’d do it.
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they didn’t even use smoke screens a lot of the time
Ah yes, the reputable source of information that is moonofalabama.org. Top tier reporting, folks
i don’t understand, its been going bad the entire time, why admit it now? its been 18 months and thousands of lives, wtf
I think that some very pro-Ukraine voices (especially in the media and Dem establishment) are angry that this counteroffensive is not going well… but they aren’t willing to admit that NATO forced Ukraine into it, so they have to just bemoan how bad it is going. Ukraine made a deal with Russia very early into the war, but as soon as NATO found out about it, Boris Johnson arrived in Ukraine for a completely unscheduled visit and told Ukrainian officials that we will fuck them up (their positions in the government and their future employment prospects) if they don’t cancel the deal. The same with this counteroffensive, we told them to do it.
i believe they are signaling a coming change in support. either they withdraw support, or NATO troops are deployed. the latter could mean ww3, which is probably inevitable, but it seems way too soon.
also, it could very well be a million lives lost
edit: it could also just be manufactured consent for more “aid”
I can’t see NATO trying to deploy. They’re already stressed just trying to keep the Ukrainian Army supplied, the US that would have to send most of the troops is in chaos and morale is terrible here. The outrcry against it would be incredible, especially less than 3 years after the largest domestic uprising in US history. And it would have a strong effect on the US’s ability to try to provoke war in China.
well the alternative is allowing Russia this major win, ceding significant hegemonic power. i get they’re saving up for a total confrontation with China, but i dont think the ruling class expected Ukraine to lose. even if the realists were at the helm, Russia seems ardently anti-Atlanticist and China has been a great trade and diplomacy partner for them, so they are unlikely to ever be persuaded into the all-capitalist alliance these realists are dreaming of. NATO has to deploy eventually, i agree that they didnt want it to be over Ukraine, but animals act unpredictably when backed in a corner. the supply issue point is true, but amerika seems to be turning the EU into its neocolonies and could very well use them as a half-billion-person factory; artillery shells were typically imported from Russia and China, so amerika is now scrambling for alternatives
NATO ain’t going to do shit until it’s a country that’s a member state or one they actually give a shit about. Western Gov is just telling our news media to chill the support because they can’t sustain and it’s a lost cause unless the want to kick off WW3 over a place that most people can’t identify on a map.
It’s frankly terrifying how many western libs are beating the drum for WW3. They want so badly for the rest of the world to be their slaves that they would rather see themselves, their families, and everything they love incinerated in nuclear hellfire than give it up.
Most of the libs I know who talk like this are 110% certain that Russia’s and China’s nukes don’t work, and/or that the US government absolutely has a fool-proof way of shooting down ICBM’s.
When WW3 gets started over Taiwan, it’ll still be over a place most people can’t identify on a map
Hahaha lmao 🤣 ded…
No really, ded.
I privately think NATO would collapse if someone tried to invoke Article 5, especially if the opponent was someone reasonably serious like Turkey or Russia.
Like I don’t know, but I think trying to get Burgerlanders and Brits and Germans all on board with getting mulched because Finland, population 5 million, had it’s precious territory integrity violated, would be a hard sell. The potential for unrest and uprisings in an already hungry and restive population in two of the major NATO militaries would be a huge issue.
people talk a lot about Article 5 but it doesn’t actually compel member states to do anything
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
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Its just so much fucking blood spilled.
I can’t get over how many people are throwing their lives away over some dipshits in their respective capitals putting new lines on a map. Nightmarish to see Ukrainians and Russians alike march to their deaths over this shit.
Probably hundreds of thousands of people dead for the ambitions of a handful of gerontocrat crooks and their cronies.
If you want a really bad thought imagine what the Red Army soldiers from WWII would think finding out that Ukraine and Russia were at war and Banderites had taken control of the government and were leading the charge?
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Biden truly scares me, being so casually ending European prosperity
Biden’s a senile puppet. He didn’t do anything aside from sign whatever was put on his desk by staffers and read whatever was on his teleprompter. Europe was ultimately screwed by its own slavish obedience to deindustrialization, a process decades in the making and orchestrated by the forces of finance. This was enhanced by their millennia-old tangled web of bigotries that made it easy for finance to divide and conquer them. They’d have been fucked over in the exact same way regardless of who sat in the oval office or what colour of lawn sign that person had.
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Agreed. My strongest evidence that Biden is just immensely cruel and an absolute true believer is that he worked as a mountpiece for the Credit Card industry for literal decades and was still, relatively speaking, poor when he became VP. I think his assets with his wife might have been like 2 million, or maybe even 1 million, and I think a lot of that was from Jill’s career. Biden somehow, working for one of the most corrupt sectors of the economy, never managed to make any money off of it in decades of doing their bidding. Only a profoundly weird man or a profoundly stupid man could achieve that.
I don’t think even Obama would dare to cross this line, and Obama was the one who deleted half of the generational wealth of black community overnight, which as Michael Hudson repeatedly reminded us, made him quite possibly the most racist president in the history of the United States.
I don’t think Obama is anywhere close to the most racist president in US history, but that speaks more to the quality of his competition than any lack of racism on his part.
made him quite possibly the most racist president in the history of the United States
multiple US presidents were literal slavers.
Yeah that’s whack, he could say he’s the most racist US president since Andrew Johnson and that would make more sense
even then I’m not so sure it’s clear cut. the US has been responsible for so much horrifying shit in the 20th century too.
To understand how seriously China sees this issue, you need to read the science fiction novel Three Body Problem, which is extremely popular among the elite and academic circles in China.
could you elaborate on what you mean by this? Like, they’re extremely worried about a large tech gap between the US and China?
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Obama was the one who deleted half of the generational wealth of black community overnight
Wait, what is this referencing?
I joked yesterday about how I’m not getting the simulated liberalism I was promised but like, I remember someone the other day saying it was simulated too well and to please stop and you said on.
Are you just using this as your normal account now?
I think this particular decision is very telling
some Ukrainians are being coerced into serving. libs will call me a Russian bot for this, but i dont think the same can be said for Russia. they have enough active military personnel to avoid drafting; they havent even deployed them all
but yeah, war is depressing. hopefully before we go extinct we will achieve communism and end war
This is really weird. I just read on quora that Russia has almost no tanks left. I’m not joking.
It’s February 2022. Russia has no tanks left etc :ti
Shit wha’ts the doctor manhattan emoji?
Thanks.
I remember dozens upon dozens of shitposts on Quora about how Russia was supposedly unable to produce ball bearings because of sanctions. One of the biggest weapons manufacturing powerhouses on the planet.
Every single one of them would end with the phrase: “Sanctions work, just slowly” – i.e. the usual grift from Neoliberals.
Always claim that the big victories are right around the corner, just in reach, just gotta wait a little while longer!! Meanwhile they make off into the distance with whatever spoils they managed to gain during their grift.
I remember dozens upon dozens of shitposts on Quora about how Russia was supposedly unable to produce ball bearings because of sanctions.
Americans seem to have a weird fascination with ball bearings. In WW2 some intel genius figured the German war effort could be crippled by bombing the ball bearing factories in Schweinfurt. The first raid was a desaster; after rebuilding the US Air Forces in Britain for months, they tried again and lost even more bombers. At least Schweinfurt was 98% destroyed.
German motor vehicle production suffered no noticeable impact.
Hilariously, that’s precisely the event those Quora posts were referencing, pretending it was some kind of huge victory.
Which would be nonsense even if the operation hadn’t been a debacle. Final reports on US and UK bombing campaigns after the war identified strikes on German transit infrastructure as having had the greatest meaningful impact on their military performance. This was corroborated by the Germans themselves I believe. Strikes on factories of any kind were seen as having only limited efficacy.
There’s enough content on Quora to keep the dunk tank going until the sun explodes.
must be some really strong shovels they’re fighting with
CW: cartoon blood, violence.
spoiler
This isn’t really related I just think the DKK shovel meme is funny. Yes that makes me a boomer, no, I don’t care.
They’ll just drum up some other backwards ass excuse to throw more money at neo-nazis in Ukraine. This war is never going to end anytime soon and frankly your average burger is literally a world away and views it as team sports.
That’s it?
THAT’S the counteroffensive?
THAT WAS JUST THE BATTLE OF THE SOMME!
This whole fiasco has more than a few similarities to the somme if I can toot my own horn
