I was wondering that myself, but I’m not one to complain about Internet points.
My theory is people have an unrecognized internalization of the new testament attitude towards a legalistic approach to religion, which is ultimately where the “spirit vs the letter of the law” phrase originates, albeit in the context of “between love and the law, choose love”, not “don’t eat fish because I’m not great with words and forgot to mention them”.
I’m the stories, Jesus is pretty strongly against not only the legalistic approach but also any religious law beyond “I rock, be cool, follow your heart”.
Which adds a bit of irony to all the Christian schisms over minor points of interpretation, including the schisms over this very point I’m making right now.
Also fun: there’s a legalistic debate about the merits of legalistic debate versus perceived intent or purpose in the talmudic tradition going back thousands of years.
Which adds a bit of irony to all the Christian schisms over minor points of interpretation, including the schisms over this very point I’m making right now.
No irony, these were in essence about the very core parts, namely nature of God.
Miaphysites and monophysites believe that human nature and divine nature of Christ are inseparable or one and the same. This poses some problems for both religious and worldly hierarchies.
Then whether there is the trinity or it’s one common entity or something else, and the divine nature of the son. More or less the same.
I mean, I’m not a specialist and I’m simplifying things, but still core Christian beliefs and the philosophy behind schisms one can describe on a few pages. These are not hard to get. It is all about politics in the societies in which the centers of various branches of Christianity existed.
It’s basically that the Roman Church didn’t quite like the idea of having the divine in every human. The divine is much more convenient to be limited to the central hierarchy. Then after the Arab conquest of a lot of the Christian lands it had more relative power and made it canon.
The East-West schism is more nuanced, but mostly was about politics too, and the interpretations more convenient for the Western feudalism and the Byzantine system which was still kinda feudal, but differently.
At the same time Eastern and Oriental Catholic churches (Armenian Catholic, Chaldean, Greek-Catholic) are in many things more similar to, well, the churches they split from, except for accepting the authority of the Pope.
Oh, I get that the schisms are very political and complicated, but I still think there’s a bit of irony in “love God before arguing over details” being met with “but what is God, really?”
It’s not like, hypocritical or anything, just a bit ironic.
I mean, the first phrase kinda contains the answer that God is love. Well, at least for miaphysites it’s a perfectly good description. There is the Nicene creed yadda yadda, but generally Armenian and Coptic priests seem to be fine with such an interpretation.
It’s depressing, not ironic. There’s the song “Wings” by Nautilus Pompilius (Russian rock band popular in the late 90s), this kind of depressing.
As a pretty nonreligious individual, I don’t have much connection to think of it as depressing.
You profess to be less than an expert, but you’re definitely more knowledgeable than I on this topic, so maybe you could help me with a question?
I seem to recall there’s a term for the various sects that eschew a lot of the more complex doctrines in favor of a “return to basics” or individual style, Quakers being the one that comes to mind.
Do you know what that’s called?
As a layperson nonbeliever, that particular thread has always seemed to capture the core of it, or at least the “love and kindness” part that appeals to someone who doesn’t need it for a deeper life meaning or purpose.
I’m non-religious in terms of believing in magic and guys on the sky, but I understand what spirituality is and how it makes people different.
I also deeply respect a few writers whose works I’ve read and people I’ve met, influenced by it.
And I respect the fighting spirit. May not always have as much of it as I’d like.
I don’t have much connection to think of it as depressing.
It’s not about connection, it’s about in one case it being perceived as some emotion allowing you to come out against the whole world for what you consider good with your head up, and in another case it turning into some set of sophisticated mystical explanations why you are a slave, and the latter having somehow descended from the former.
I seem to recall there’s a term for the various sects that eschew a lot of the more complex doctrines in favor of a “return to basics” or individual style, Quakers being the one that comes to mind.
Protestant? Reformist?
that particular thread has always seemed to capture the core of it, or at least the “love and kindness” part that appeals to someone who doesn’t need it for a deeper life meaning or purpose.
Well, those include many branches which may not be always in that direction.
I was wondering that myself, but I’m not one to complain about Internet points.
My theory is people have an unrecognized internalization of the new testament attitude towards a legalistic approach to religion, which is ultimately where the “spirit vs the letter of the law” phrase originates, albeit in the context of “between love and the law, choose love”, not “don’t eat fish because I’m not great with words and forgot to mention them”.
I’m the stories, Jesus is pretty strongly against not only the legalistic approach but also any religious law beyond “I rock, be cool, follow your heart”.
Which adds a bit of irony to all the Christian schisms over minor points of interpretation, including the schisms over this very point I’m making right now.
Also fun: there’s a legalistic debate about the merits of legalistic debate versus perceived intent or purpose in the talmudic tradition going back thousands of years.
No irony, these were in essence about the very core parts, namely nature of God.
Miaphysites and monophysites believe that human nature and divine nature of Christ are inseparable or one and the same. This poses some problems for both religious and worldly hierarchies.
Then whether there is the trinity or it’s one common entity or something else, and the divine nature of the son. More or less the same.
I mean, I’m not a specialist and I’m simplifying things, but still core Christian beliefs and the philosophy behind schisms one can describe on a few pages. These are not hard to get. It is all about politics in the societies in which the centers of various branches of Christianity existed.
It’s basically that the Roman Church didn’t quite like the idea of having the divine in every human. The divine is much more convenient to be limited to the central hierarchy. Then after the Arab conquest of a lot of the Christian lands it had more relative power and made it canon.
The East-West schism is more nuanced, but mostly was about politics too, and the interpretations more convenient for the Western feudalism and the Byzantine system which was still kinda feudal, but differently.
At the same time Eastern and Oriental Catholic churches (Armenian Catholic, Chaldean, Greek-Catholic) are in many things more similar to, well, the churches they split from, except for accepting the authority of the Pope.
Oh, I get that the schisms are very political and complicated, but I still think there’s a bit of irony in “love God before arguing over details” being met with “but what is God, really?”
It’s not like, hypocritical or anything, just a bit ironic.
I mean, the first phrase kinda contains the answer that God is love. Well, at least for miaphysites it’s a perfectly good description. There is the Nicene creed yadda yadda, but generally Armenian and Coptic priests seem to be fine with such an interpretation.
It’s depressing, not ironic. There’s the song “Wings” by Nautilus Pompilius (Russian rock band popular in the late 90s), this kind of depressing.
Eh, potato po-deep-theological-rifts. :)
As a pretty nonreligious individual, I don’t have much connection to think of it as depressing.
You profess to be less than an expert, but you’re definitely more knowledgeable than I on this topic, so maybe you could help me with a question?
I seem to recall there’s a term for the various sects that eschew a lot of the more complex doctrines in favor of a “return to basics” or individual style, Quakers being the one that comes to mind.
Do you know what that’s called? As a layperson nonbeliever, that particular thread has always seemed to capture the core of it, or at least the “love and kindness” part that appeals to someone who doesn’t need it for a deeper life meaning or purpose.
I’m non-religious in terms of believing in magic and guys on the sky, but I understand what spirituality is and how it makes people different.
I also deeply respect a few writers whose works I’ve read and people I’ve met, influenced by it.
And I respect the fighting spirit. May not always have as much of it as I’d like.
It’s not about connection, it’s about in one case it being perceived as some emotion allowing you to come out against the whole world for what you consider good with your head up, and in another case it turning into some set of sophisticated mystical explanations why you are a slave, and the latter having somehow descended from the former.
Protestant? Reformist?
Well, those include many branches which may not be always in that direction.
I don’t know.