I don’t like waiting in my car, but I fucking hate packed restaurants/cafes where I have to scoot my chair in extra tight so people don’t keep having to rub their junk on me every time they squeeze behind me.
I choose option 3: make my coffee/tea at home because I’m poor asf.
so people don’t keep having to rub their junk on me
I agree with GiantFloppyCock.
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I wouldn’t have noticed without this comment. Love it.
I’m on option 3 because no coffee/tea is worth the wasted time and resources of leaving my house early (even if I had to commute) to wait in line for it. This is just terminally stupid to me and I am unable to understand why anyone does it as part of their daily routine.
yeah I just make some black coffée when I get to work, maybe add a sugar packet if I feel zesty
Well, if you weren’t poor, you could just go and sit in half empty cafe where trey charge €10+ per cup.
I hate getting bumped, but for me it’s the noise. Can’t stand a crowded space with many conversations.
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What a ridiculous comment. Maybe they already have been. Maybe they can’t afford it. Maybe they don’t even have autism. A diagnosis isn’t some magic cure for sensitivity to noisy crowds anyway, so it’s not a helpful suggestion even if all your assumptions were true.
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so people don’t keep having to rub their junk on me
Same, bro. Now where is this coffee place, so I know where not to go? 📜✍🥸
High five for practical frugality. I’m with you there.
I don’t think the problem with cars is that they aren’t comfortable. Unfortunately they are too comfortable. You get to sit in an air conditioned box with leather seats, no external noise while listening to an audiobook. Then your coffee just shows up.
lol I always think that when cars don’t want to stop for me walking. Like bro chill you’re sitting in a literal recliner rn
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The car ofc 😂. Air conditioned, my own music, private space, no waiting for a table, no listening to other conversations. But this is a stupid comparison altogether. I wouldn’t go to the drive thru for a social coffee and I wouldn’t go to the cafe for a quick coffee.
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Most of the people in this thread have evidently never been to a café. They are describing it like some hellish experience, which to be fair in America it probably is
I think most of the people here probably haven’t. I myself have only been once.
The issue with this comparison is the cultural differences. Like in America that bottom image would be basically impossible to get in and out of on the way to work. Whereas Starbs or Dunkin is like a 5 minute pit stop tops
Again, wrong. In Italy or France it’s perfectly normal to pop into a cafe for a quick coffee on the way to work.
Okay?..I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here. In America people generally don’t do that… Which is a cultural difference… How is that wrong? Lol
@Goblin_Mode @Diplomjodler Is it a cultural difference, or has the US lacking infrastructure forced you to make a different choice?
I would argue lacking appropriate infrastructure to support a walking city is a cultural thing. Americans like their cars man.
I personally would love to see some more public transportation and walkable cities but I know enough “car guys” to confidently say that a substantial percentage of Americans prefer it like this. I think it’s shifting away with each generation but we aren’t anywhere near Europe yet
@Goblin_Mode But why do they like their cars? It’s not spontaneous. It’s because the automotive industry lobbied to destroy any other transportation option, so they need to have a car to survive. Obviously you’ll like the thing that helps you survive. It’s not that they like their cars, so they built their life around it. It’s that their lives are built around them, so they don’t have any other option but to like cars.
This, 35 Celsius grades and beyond are no joke.
The people lining up, instead of parking and taking 5 mins to go inside, are terminally stupid. I encountered this the other day, and I was out the door with my coffee before the line had even moved.
Wasn’t that a covid thing?
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Are you by any chance telling them to walk on their legs?
It’s a catch-22 though. Like, if I get out of my car for 5 minutes with it off then it just heats up to 1000 degrees. I get that the idea of quickly going in and walking out is nice, and I would honestly prefer to not have it at all (yay for just making coffee at home). However for us in incredibly hot climates it isn’t something I ever try to do. It’s 107 out today, 5 minutes with my car off turns it into like 135 on the inside. Of course all of this just adds more to emissions. Which is all of the problem….
Electric cars, if you’re going to have a car, do help with this. You just leave the air conditioning on.
Ah yes, my partner and I with our combined 40k income should forsake a quick coffee now and then until we can spend at minimum half a year’s salary on an electric that we have no means to charge except at a target 15 minutes away.
I 1000% agree that waiting in a line like this while idling is insane, but instead of shifting responsability to people who can barely afford to survive, how about we shift that attention into laws and infrastructure that penalize this behavior by corporations.
Many of us have to drive 20-30 minutes just to buy groceries, let alone work. Where I live, it hasn’t been below 37° at 11am since March. Cars, and cheap old ones that annoyingly guzzle gas, are a necessity for us.
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I know, but I see it all the time. When people continually “carbon shame” or “car shame” people without any concern for the actual individuals whom they are asking to sacrifice even more, it gets exhausting.
My dad was an environmental consultant. Growing up we knew about erosion control, smog statutes, chemical dumping, and carbon credits from an extremely young age. I have been an activist for climate control and carbon responsability my whole life. Hell at 9 years old I was cold calling trash companies in my county to setup more public recycling bins (it worked).
However, people like the commenter above have forgotten that climate change and emissions regulations are just as much a class issue as anything else.
7.14% of global emissions come from passenger motor vehicles. That’s terrible, and we should be doing everything we can to raise the availability of cleaner fuels and cheaper low-mileage vehicles. But, 35% of global emissions come from commercial energy use and direct carbon production. The problem is not Jim-Bob in his F-350 (though that’s an entire other issue that should be regulated). The problem is Eric Moneybags and his 15 million dollars of carbon credits who gets to ignore EPA regulations because he has deeper pockets.
Global Warmingis a class issue. Its causes are a class issue, and its effects will be felt along class lines. We need to start treating it like the problem it is.
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But, 35% of global emissions come from commercial energy use and direct carbon production. The problem is not Jim-Bob in his F-350 (though that’s an entire other issue that should be regulated). The problem is Eric Moneybags and his 15 million dollars of carbon credits who gets to ignore EPA regulations because he has deeper pockets.
The problem is things like the CAFE regulations that essentially subsidize Jim-Bob’s F-350 by exempting it from the same requirements that govern regular cars, and (from your previous comment) the zoning codes that prohibit density and literally displace you outside of walking distance from your grocery store and work.
Of course all of this just adds more to emissions. Which is all of the problem….
^^ from above
how about we shift that attention into laws and infrastructure that penalize this behavior by corporations
Completely agree, this is what we should be focusing on. YOUR CAR isn’t doing shit. ALL OF OUR CARS collectively are doing shit. You can change your behavior and feel better about yourself, but this problem was caused by laws, oil money lobbying, and the resulting policy. Laws and policy are the way out of it, not making people feel bad about their “choices.”
Yeah that’s what sucks right now. It does kinda feel like your responding to something I didn’t say though :-/
I made another longer reply to someone who said something similar.
You’re absolutely right. It wasn’t entirely your fault. However, i do still feel that the class issues of climate control get ignored in these conversations, and it’s easy for people to look at a line of cars like this and blame the individual when, I promise you, many of those people don’t want to be there at all, but this might be their one thing a day, or even week, that makes getting out of bed worth it.
Climate change is a class issue, and it is a social issue. The people it affects the most (in a given population) should always be remembered in our discussions.
Note: Obviously my own comments come from a place of great privilege. Even more importantly we should remember how oir economies and laws are currently at the expense of the global south, and that they are likely going to be the first ones lost as the effects of our corporate and societal greed are felt even more strongly.
My car I bought recently has remote start. So I can turn it (and the AC) on right before I’m about to leave. A minute is enough for it to start blasting plenty of cold air.
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This was during Covid social distancing, probably right when Starbucks was allowed to open back up.
Many coffee and fast food restaurants around where I live closed down internal seating around covid and still haven’t opened the backup now due to staffing issues. Terminally stupid my ass.
Equally terminally stupid your ass, because you can make coffee at home during highly infectious outbreaks.
Yes because sitting in my car jamming to my music is soooooo stupid.
No, but twenty of you sitting in your idling cars is unbelievably stupid
Start/stop technology.
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It also could be that they are drive-through only. I live in a small town in the midwestern U.S. and a lot of fast-food places around here closed their lobbies during the pandemic and just never reopened them after, usually citing worker shortages.
so i guess no fast food for the poor. as a teen, i got rejected from trying to order from the drive thru because i didn’t have a car.
With the way the prices have risen, it’s nearly “no fast food for the poor” already anyway…
I make my coffee at home. It’s cheaper.
So much time saved too. Takes less time to make it than it ever does to wait in line.
The silver lining is I can nip inside to the almost empty coffee shop and leave with my order before two cars have been served. No idea why these people would rather sit in their car for twenty minutes than walk for twenty seconds.
I wish this was true, I’ve tried it multiple times at Starbucks and it doesn’t work.
I think the majority of the staff is working on mobile/drive thru orders vs the orders that come in at the counter.
Regardless, going inside has taken me longer then joining that stupid line.
No idea. I served in drive throughs and I can tell you waiting time is shorter inside the store
Waiting time is shorter and I don’t have to keep idling the car ( or turning it off and on again) before I can order.
I’m used to running inside because I ride a motorcycle a lot, and you’re right the wait is almost always shorter inside the building. It’s fun to see the same cars sitting in the line when you leave.
Ahh but you can’t ever be part of a pretentious and pointless pay it forward chain, where suburbanites of the same financial status pay roughly for someone else what they would have paid for their own drinks
It is best to just put in the order online. Then you can park, walk in, grab it, walk out and be moving before they serve a single car.
Because they clearly don’t have to worry about all the extra money and time they’re wasting on gas to buy commercial coffee every day. Must be nice.
My car is probably more comfortable tbh. Especially if weather is bad.
Yeah, that headline asks the wrong question.
– I look at the bottom picture and see hard chairs, hot sun, bugs, and I don’t know if there are seats but some people are stuck standing.
– I look at the top picture and see nice cushy seats, my own music, and air conditioning.
Comfort is why people put up with these lines
If it was such an unpleasant experience, why are so many people there? Maybe the chairs are comfortable. Maybe there is a pleasant breeze, maybe the people standing are just passing by, and anyone who wanted to sit is doing so. If you don’t think an outdoor café can be a comfortable experience, you’ve obviously never been to one. I have my morning coffee at a place like this all the time and it’s lovely.
Probably can’t afford cars, or too many dui /s
Because they specifically dont want takeout
They’re probably there because they got paid for the photo shoot.
Dude, this kind of thing is everywhere in Europe. It’s rare in the US, but it still exists in some places. People love being outside. Just because you’re always indoors doesn’t mean everyone likes that. I go to breweries often, and as long as it’s not incredibly hot or cold outdoor seating is the first thing taken.
The US has been constructed so this kind of thing doesn’t exist in most places, but where it does it’ll always be occupied.
It looks like a Google Street view shot to me
Those seats look pretty nice, but if it were hot they would just be indoors. There’s several people in jackets and suit jackets, so I doubt it’s hot. It’s all shaded and probably a mild day. Personally, I love going to breweries, and I almost always choose to go places with outdoor seating and sit outside. It’s much nicer than sitting in a sealed box all the time to get outside and enjoy the environment when you can.
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Pic number one is definitely more comfortable. Because you don’t have to be around so many people. You have your own private environment. Listen to an audiobook, zone out, drink some coffee, sounds perfect.
I know you’re getting downvoted, but I agree. I have lost most of my tolerance for people in businesses at this point. Too many rude, inconsiderate jerks treating the staff poorly and acting like they own the place. I’m not saying sitting in your car waiting for it is good either, but compared to dealing with horrible people, I’ll take it.
Now, if you’re lucky, you’ll find a coffee shop with decent clientele. If you’re lucky.
Agreed. If pic two was a sleepy coffee shop with maybe one or two tables occupied. And you could get some personal space and read a book quietly. It would be superior. If you live in a transit oriented community, and everything’s walkable, you got a coffee shop right next to your house that you can go visit in the morning. Beautiful.
But that wasn’t the question, it was of the two which was more preferable.
The bottom cafe holds a lot more people comfortably.
So if both had the same amount of customers, the bottom one would be a hell of a lot less crowded.
Get ready to find out that there are countries where horrible customers are a rare occurrence
That’s great. As soon as you get me and my family jobs, a home and citizenship in one, I’ll change my tune.
Yeah thats unfortunately just a larger cultural problem
Maybe this whole car/big business environment contribute to the this.
Where I live I know the name or faces of most people who attend my local café, which is run by an old dude and his wife, I think this leads to a more friendlier place then let say, a big chain store with new staff every couple weeks who can’t care less about the place and also customers who sees the place as only somewhere where you go to buy stuff and leave.
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Yeah sounds like a fucking dream. When I’m depressed.
I’m socially anxious and don’t really like crowds so sitting in my car is preferable. But I’d park and walk in rather than wait in a line like that.
Really I work from home and get my own coffee every day without needing pants, which is infinitely preferable to both.
Some cars have by far the most comfortable seats I’ve ever sat in. Nissan in particular has some amazing seats. Far better than anything Herman Miller has ever put out. There’s a reason some dedicated people out there take seats out of cars and mount them on the rolly things.
That said I’m not going to idle my car for more than 5 minutes for just about anything. The people who wait 30 minutes in a drive thru line are insane.
I’m a fierce opponent of cars in inner cities and I want a revolution in individual transportation that makes us mostly move away from cars (and make cars much smaller for those who are reliant on it).
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It’s 43°C out here in Texas, so yes, but I would rather climate refugee my way into a nice place like the bottom picture because with the way things are going, soon 50°C is going to be the new norm out here (especially if we keep building photo one infrastructure) and 43° is already too hot. We also have lines like this for fried chicken. SNL even did a parody auto dealer commercial where the dealership is blocked off by the traffic in line for chicken.
I hope it’s higher than that. I don’t want to hike 3 miles to sit on a crowded sidewalk with randos under someone’s house to wait 20 minutes for 2 oz of espresso probably in a cloud of cigarette smoke.
I like a cafe, but it’s going to be way out of the way and no one waiting but me.
You guys only have a cafe every 3 miles?
Lol, we have some every couple of 100 meters. In my small neighborhood town, I know of at least 7.
If I am to answer honestly, the car. But only because it’s like a little fortress of solitude and separates me from the public where I would otherwise be an anxious mess. But to be fair, you did only ask what looks more comfortable. I still don’t want cars to be the main mode of transportation.
First, I agree with everything you typed. BUT
Second, “a little fortress of solitude and separates me from the public” is kinda the problem we have that leads to the top part of the picture. We in the West in general and the United States in particular have lost our sense of community. My car by myself listening to what I want in solitude is AWESOME, but stopping to sit and be part of a community is probably better for me.
For me, I look at all those factors as coping with the fact that we are often alone in our cars and that they inherently create a sense of isolation from the outside world.
Yep. There’s a BIG difference between “I like driving” and “We should design all our towns and cities around driving.”
And the ironic thing is that designing around walking and public transportation makes driving better. You don’t have to deal with nearly as much stop & go traffic if there aren’t as many people on the road, and if arterial roads don’t need to have intersections every few hundred feet.
None of them honestly, both are too crouded.
Not only that, that brasserie is on the Rive Gauche in Paris so if you sit outside to watch the world go by, the fuckers charge you extra lol
(I’m just having fun thinking about the comparison, nothing too directed at your statement as I also agree with that)
Both pictures contain the same amount of people, but there is likely three more shops around the shop in the below picture which all fit in the same space as the upper one, one of which is probably also not as crowded. Also, there are at least 30 apartments in that area as well as other shops and it has worked like that for centuries, if not a millennium
Mr. Bones I want to get off your industrialized hell hole infrastructure ride
In CA, my rent is close to $2k a month, but I can walk to basically everything I need to. In MI, my rent is $650 a month, but the closest coffee shop is miles away.
If your car gets 30 mpg, then you could drive 30 miles for less than $5 probably. It would be more frugal to drive and have the cheaper cost of living.
only because it’s artificially constructed to be like that for the benefit of the car-oil industrial complex
Everything humans build is artificially constructed
specifically, in this case, euclidean zoning, FAR limits, skewed investment, unsafe intersections, oil subsidies, etc.
No, the roads were constructed so that people could travel from one place to another more easily. They existed before cars did, and people traveled on these old roads with horses and carriages. Many of the roads around where I live (in an area the government designates as rural) have historical markers that describe their history going back to the days of Colonial times.
Yeah if it’s all about money then go that route. You are also forgetting the cost of a car itself needed there which is a ton more than just the $5 cost of gas.
Otherwise walking gets you exercise which is better for your health in the long run and in general; the cafe gives a sense of a “third space” and community and the lack of a car is a ton better for both the environment and traffic which also affects everyone’s general health.
That is only true if you prefer money over the environmental damage you do.
The minuscule amount of pollution that my fuel-efficient car produces is completely insignificant in the grand scale of planet Earth. So yes I do prefer having money to live on than worrying about that.
You can guilt trip me about my car after you succeed in getting millionaires to ground their private jets and when mega-corporations stop massively polluting everything around the world.
Sure, and throwing a can out of the window on a highway is also insignificant >.>
You have the exact same mentality as those millionaires you complain about.
I don’t have a license which is why I’m not living in MI.
You know, it’s possible to live the walkable life in Michigan.
Right?
Live in MI. I walk a ton, but the closest dedicated coffee shop (Bigby) is 1.5 miles from me. There are, however, two restaurants that will also serve me coffee within .125 miles.
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Honestly traffic laws should still be enforced for those situations. Cars can’t just sit in the lane or intersection, so either pull into the parking lot or drive on
It always baffled me as accpetable that their poor servicing methods/infrastructure (drive thru) was allowed to leak on to publicly funded infrastructure and impact its usability without any reprecussions to the business or its patrons.
On a personal level, I’d realistically pass on both of these places. But the nice thing with the bottom option? 9/10 times there’s another place with what I’d want within a reasonable walking distance, along with other options. Even in a small European village I’ve observed several places to eat within walking distance of each other.
My absolute disdain for traffic overpowers my disdain for crowds by far.
