• Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml
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      Something something mysterious ways, human freedom necessary to be judged, yadda yadda

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        Judged by whom? God? If he’s all knowing all powerful then he knows how I’ll do in his simulation before I begin.

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      This proves that all religions are at least partially correct, and the most popular religions are the most correct

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        if all religions are asserted to be partially correct, would that also not imply that the other part of each religion is definitely wrong?

        why then would a set of all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful beings set in place a whole ethic that’s even partially incorrect?

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          would that also not imply that the other part of each religion is definitely wrong?

          Absolutely. Which justifies all the inter-religious wars. They’ve got to beat out all the heresies.

          why then would a set of all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful beings set in place a whole ethic that’s even partially incorrect?

          Can’t make an omelet without cracking a few eggs.

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            Can’t make an omelet without cracking a few eggs.

            ah, but you see, an omnipotent being can make omelettes without cracking eggs. the word can’t just isn’t in their vocabulary.

            unless, of course, one admits that these beings are not really as powerful as one imagines them to be!

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              an omnipotent being can make omelettes without cracking eggs

              Can you prove that?

              these beings are not really as powerful as one imagines them to be!

              If you’re inventing a fictitious being, it can be as powerful or not as you imagine. But if we’re posting a real thing, we’re forced to concede some logical limits.

              “You’re not God because you didn’t do things the way I imagined them to be” doesn’t logically follow. No more than suggesting robots aren’t real because they don’t match what I saw once in an anime.

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                But if we’re posting a real thing, we’re forced to concede some logical limits.

                ah, so gods do have limits, then, yeah? they aren’t all-powerful? agree?

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                  All-Powerful is a paradoxical claim. You end up with the Hotpocket So Hot You Cannot Eat It.

                  And yes, I think we have an abundance of gods scattered across various paradigms and belief systems that are de facto not all powerful. Chronos was murdered by his own son after being tricked into swallowing a rock. Odin had to gouge out his own eye in order to understand the future. Pachamama needs a regular sacrifice of guinea pigs to do her job properly. Even the Abrahamic God(s) have limits, as illustrated by Book of Hosea, chapter 12:3–5, in which the Prophet Jacob beats God’s designated angelic champion in a wrestling match in order to win God’s blessing.

                  In fact, I’m challenged to name a god that isn’t limited in some capacity, as originally conceived.

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        No, it only proves all religions are at least partially insane.