If any devs ever implement karma into Lemmy, I will shut down my subs and leave.
I mean that with 100% seriousness. Karma is one of the most evil concepts ever conceived in the history of the internet. It brings out the darkness in a motherfucker.
Here, your comments can be upvoted and downvoted, but it’s purposefully not totaled and kept separate from your profile. I don’t know why the devs of that app decided to total them all together – that total is your karma and people did tie their self-worth and their social standing to their karma. It’s what made Reddit so toxic
We all better go say something to the Wefwef devs and make them take that shit off
yeah. Karma was really bad when you happened to say something that was either misunderstood or maybe a valid oppinion but against the population of the sub. I dared to say that men and women differ in some life-experiences around puberty in BadGirlsAnatomy once… They took that as if I was invalidating their experiences somehow… holy cow the downvotes!
Karma made me feel those downvotes, because they had some permanent impact on my overall profile, so I never dared to discuss anything in that sub ever again, leading to bubbles. I ain’t wanting that back.
Karma gave a way of guaging people reputation - if you were negative karma, because each negatively voted post only counted for a minimum of -10 additional karma, it was easy to tell if the majority of posts on a user profile were negatively geared.
Now with Lemmy, in order to tell this, you actually have to look at the posts and comments, which means you have more chances of reading them and gaining context as to why they seem to be such a contrarian.
It inherently leads to less judgement simply because it’s not as bleedingly obvious how bad someone’s comments are. Which in turn, leads to a better feel to the community and less dogpiling.
Also it gives people a greater chance to make a “come back” - they may go through a negative streak, but because people don’t discount their opinions simply because of karma score they can more easily climb out of the negative spiral as people less people will look, and those who do only look at the most recent comment scores.
Positivity breeds positivity, likewise negativity breeds negativity, often faster than positivity.
Kbin has a total reputation score, but it’s broken and pretty much meaningless. Downvotes will subtract reputation, but upvotes don’t add to it, only “boosts” do. While I had perpetually negative reputation from that, I didn’t mind, but as soon as it went positive from a single highly-boosted comment, I immediately started dropping back into old mentalities.
Guess switching over to Lemmy to use Boost might not have been such a bad thing.
OK so I’m not crazy, this is basically just karma then, yeah? Just like “client side calculated” (I’m assuming at least, if Lemmy doesn’t have native support for a concept like karma) karma lol
Imo both sides of this argument are way overblown. If Karma scores affected you that much, positively or negatively, you should be taking a long break from social media and having a chat with a counsellor.
I don’t mean that as an insult, it really is the kind of thing that only matters if you’ve gone so far terminally online that it’s seriously affecting your mental health.
But it affects my experience on the platform, even if I don’t care about it myself.
When people make posts and comments for the karma and not because they think their input is useful then the platform will suck.
I think people grossely overestimate what people did “for karma”.
Bots farm karma to seem like legitimate users and bypass min-karma rules.
Real users didn’t give a shit about the little karma number aside from the fact it told them their stuff got a lot of attention. It could have been a circle with a color gradient and people would have used it as a measure of success anyway.
People are still going to farm here because they want the attention, it doesn’t matter what the measure is (comment count, updoots wtv)
But it affects my experience on the platform, even if I don’t care about it myself.
When people make posts and comments for the karma and not because they think their input is useful then the platform will suck.
Hard agree, I’m here for information, not to see how much karma a user has, plus I feel karma systems encourage bots. If a karma system is introduced, I will leave for a platform that doesn’t have that kind of karma thing
I think kbin has a form of karma.
If they do implement it it would be on a per-instance basis. Meaning it probably won’t matter for appealing to the greater fediverse.
If any devs ever implement karma into Lemmy, I will shut down my subs and leave.
I mean that with 100% seriousness. Karma is one of the most evil concepts ever conceived in the history of the internet. It brings out the darkness in a motherfucker.
Excuse me if I’m just dense, but when I look at peoples profiles in wefwef, it shows me their comment score and post score.
Is that somehow different from what Karma was?
That’s probably a good reason not to use Wefwef 🤦
Here, your comments can be upvoted and downvoted, but it’s purposefully not totaled and kept separate from your profile. I don’t know why the devs of that app decided to total them all together – that total is your karma and people did tie their self-worth and their social standing to their karma. It’s what made Reddit so toxic
We all better go say something to the Wefwef devs and make them take that shit off
yeah. Karma was really bad when you happened to say something that was either misunderstood or maybe a valid oppinion but against the population of the sub. I dared to say that men and women differ in some life-experiences around puberty in BadGirlsAnatomy once… They took that as if I was invalidating their experiences somehow… holy cow the downvotes!
Karma made me feel those downvotes, because they had some permanent impact on my overall profile, so I never dared to discuss anything in that sub ever again, leading to bubbles. I ain’t wanting that back.
Karma gave a way of guaging people reputation - if you were negative karma, because each negatively voted post only counted for a minimum of -10 additional karma, it was easy to tell if the majority of posts on a user profile were negatively geared.
Now with Lemmy, in order to tell this, you actually have to look at the posts and comments, which means you have more chances of reading them and gaining context as to why they seem to be such a contrarian.
It inherently leads to less judgement simply because it’s not as bleedingly obvious how bad someone’s comments are. Which in turn, leads to a better feel to the community and less dogpiling.
Also it gives people a greater chance to make a “come back” - they may go through a negative streak, but because people don’t discount their opinions simply because of karma score they can more easily climb out of the negative spiral as people less people will look, and those who do only look at the most recent comment scores.
Positivity breeds positivity, likewise negativity breeds negativity, often faster than positivity.
Kbin has a total reputation score, but it’s broken and pretty much meaningless. Downvotes will subtract reputation, but upvotes don’t add to it, only “boosts” do. While I had perpetually negative reputation from that, I didn’t mind, but as soon as it went positive from a single highly-boosted comment, I immediately started dropping back into old mentalities.
Guess switching over to Lemmy to use Boost might not have been such a bad thing.
Wefwef is based off of Apollo. Apollo had a karma counter, and so does wefwef.
OK so I’m not crazy, this is basically just karma then, yeah? Just like “client side calculated” (I’m assuming at least, if Lemmy doesn’t have native support for a concept like karma) karma lol
https://ibb.co/ssqBZyq
Yep, wefwef karma seems to be client side. I have it too on my wefwef.
Edit: Am wrong, see response from developer below.
Wefwef dev here, it’s not calculated client side. post and comment score is in the api response of every user.
I actually had no idea the Lemmy web client doesn’t display this when I implemented in wefwef
Can we have a talk about that? Please for the love of all that is holy, don’t actually display karma scores in wefwef. Please. :(
Imo both sides of this argument are way overblown. If Karma scores affected you that much, positively or negatively, you should be taking a long break from social media and having a chat with a counsellor.
I don’t mean that as an insult, it really is the kind of thing that only matters if you’ve gone so far terminally online that it’s seriously affecting your mental health.
But it affects my experience on the platform, even if I don’t care about it myself. When people make posts and comments for the karma and not because they think their input is useful then the platform will suck.
Damn, I didn’t know that. Wefwef is the best PWA I have used to date though, nice work!
I always thought there was some merit to it, like, indicative of someone’s history in engagement on a platform, no?
I get that it becomes less and less meaningful as people farm it, but there is there no balancing point?
I think people grossely overestimate what people did “for karma”.
Bots farm karma to seem like legitimate users and bypass min-karma rules.
Real users didn’t give a shit about the little karma number aside from the fact it told them their stuff got a lot of attention. It could have been a circle with a color gradient and people would have used it as a measure of success anyway.
People are still going to farm here because they want the attention, it doesn’t matter what the measure is (comment count, updoots wtv)
But it affects my experience on the platform, even if I don’t care about it myself. When people make posts and comments for the karma and not because they think their input is useful then the platform will suck.
Hard agree, I’m here for information, not to see how much karma a user has, plus I feel karma systems encourage bots. If a karma system is introduced, I will leave for a platform that doesn’t have that kind of karma thing
I think kbin has a form of karma. If they do implement it it would be on a per-instance basis. Meaning it probably won’t matter for appealing to the greater fediverse.