It’s all about selling the idea that you can do away with meat if you’re a meat lover. For a lot of them, that’s not going to happen by just saying “hey eat vegan food!”
But if you say “yo, taste this burger - whadayathink? I know right?!! Can you believe it’s not made out of cow?!” Then maybe, maybe, the dude will say “you know what? For my next bbq Imma use impossi-burgers - damn tasty those thingies!”
I’m not a vegan, but I’ve eaten at a few vegan restaurants that were highly rated. The delicious vegan food that you’re talking about already exists, but most people will never go to a vegan restaurant over a non-vegan one.
And if you can get a vegan meal at the Burger Barn or Grills R Us, which is just as good as corpse, then it’s a lot easier for vegans and vegan-curious carnists
According to your logic that if there’s an -ist word then there must be a religion, it would seem that dentists follow the religion dentism. Chemists follow the religion chemism, and arsonists follow the religion arsonism.
On the other hand, perhaps a somethingist is just a person who does something. In which case, a carnist is anyone who does meat.
“Normal” people are always complaining when there’s a word to describe them. Remember all that drama about cisgender being a slur? It’s literally just the most logical word for the purpose. When there’s a word to describe the normalised group, people inside that group go apeshit. It’s a fundamental human bias. I once lost an entire friend group because one of the people in it couldn’t stand that I used the word alloromantic.
If you don’t like the word carnist, suggest another word that’s equally clear and equally convenient.
Personally, I take a bit of offense to you drawing equivalence between the distinction of vegans and non-vegans and autistic and allistic people, asexuals vs allosexual people, or trans and cis people. The latter three here being immutable facts of somebody’s being and lived experience, whereas veganism is merely an ideology- no matter how laudable that ideology is, the fact is that it is a freely chosen aspect of their personality or beliefs.
For that reason, southsamurai’s point still has merit that you haven’t addressed, that “carnist” is an attempt to form division and delineation needlessly. Those other examples you gave of descriptors ‘normal’ people take offence to (shame on them) are scientific terms. Carnist is a pure ideological term, and it gives serious hexbear “fucking libs” energy.
If you claim your goal is to get more people into veganism, I would agree it is counterproductive - because non-vegans can become vegans, there’s no need for that othering language. Other descriptors for ‘normal’ people you list are purely descriptors and have utility for that reason, a cis person cannot be made into a trans person, a heterosexual cannot be made into a homosexual person.
This is true for people who already are vegans. My sister tries to use less meat, and when she wants to cook something where she used chicken before, she buts the “vegan chicken” and so on. I love trying new and maybe weird stuff, but people with 40 year old habits are not gonne buy cube shaped mystery things that are sometimes more expensive than the meaty counterpart.
we have evolved to enjoy the flavours of meat. and cooked meat. making a delicious product means copying some of these elements. it seems that these nuggets play on that and expand on that.
Umami is a solved problem though. Miso, soy sauce, shiitake mushrooms, kombu seaweed. All excellent vegan sources of umami.
The hardest part of making vegan meat substitutes is texture. How do you replicate the texture of steaks, ribs, brisket? These are very complex with muscle fibres, intramuscular fat, bones, connective tissues. Not easy!
Yeah. All of the best-textured vegan foods that I’ve had are not imitation meat. Stuff like crunchy starch-based food, breads, waffle cones, chewy noodles, dumplings, pizza, shahi kofta, etc!
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Except they literally won, lol.
It’s all about selling the idea that you can do away with meat if you’re a meat lover. For a lot of them, that’s not going to happen by just saying “hey eat vegan food!”
But if you say “yo, taste this burger - whadayathink? I know right?!! Can you believe it’s not made out of cow?!” Then maybe, maybe, the dude will say “you know what? For my next bbq Imma use impossi-burgers - damn tasty those thingies!”
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I’m not a vegan, but I’ve eaten at a few vegan restaurants that were highly rated. The delicious vegan food that you’re talking about already exists, but most people will never go to a vegan restaurant over a non-vegan one.
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And if you can get a vegan meal at the Burger Barn or Grills R Us, which is just as good as corpse, then it’s a lot easier for vegans and vegan-curious carnists
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According to your logic that if there’s an -ist word then there must be a religion, it would seem that dentists follow the religion dentism. Chemists follow the religion chemism, and arsonists follow the religion arsonism.
On the other hand, perhaps a somethingist is just a person who does something. In which case, a carnist is anyone who does meat.
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“Normal” people are always complaining when there’s a word to describe them. Remember all that drama about cisgender being a slur? It’s literally just the most logical word for the purpose. When there’s a word to describe the normalised group, people inside that group go apeshit. It’s a fundamental human bias. I once lost an entire friend group because one of the people in it couldn’t stand that I used the word alloromantic.
If you don’t like the word carnist, suggest another word that’s equally clear and equally convenient.
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Personally, I take a bit of offense to you drawing equivalence between the distinction of vegans and non-vegans and autistic and allistic people, asexuals vs allosexual people, or trans and cis people. The latter three here being immutable facts of somebody’s being and lived experience, whereas veganism is merely an ideology- no matter how laudable that ideology is, the fact is that it is a freely chosen aspect of their personality or beliefs.
For that reason, southsamurai’s point still has merit that you haven’t addressed, that “carnist” is an attempt to form division and delineation needlessly. Those other examples you gave of descriptors ‘normal’ people take offence to (shame on them) are scientific terms. Carnist is a pure ideological term, and it gives serious hexbear “fucking libs” energy.
If you claim your goal is to get more people into veganism, I would agree it is counterproductive - because non-vegans can become vegans, there’s no need for that othering language. Other descriptors for ‘normal’ people you list are purely descriptors and have utility for that reason, a cis person cannot be made into a trans person, a heterosexual cannot be made into a homosexual person.
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The sexual politics of meat strikes again
stop hurting animals
What if the animals were dicks? Would it be okay then?
This is true for people who already are vegans. My sister tries to use less meat, and when she wants to cook something where she used chicken before, she buts the “vegan chicken” and so on. I love trying new and maybe weird stuff, but people with 40 year old habits are not gonne buy cube shaped mystery things that are sometimes more expensive than the meaty counterpart.
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Facts, I’ve been saying this for a while. It seems to have worked for milk, people like oat milk despite it unabashedly not tasting like animal milk.
we have evolved to enjoy the flavours of meat. and cooked meat. making a delicious product means copying some of these elements. it seems that these nuggets play on that and expand on that.
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Umami is a solved problem though. Miso, soy sauce, shiitake mushrooms, kombu seaweed. All excellent vegan sources of umami.
The hardest part of making vegan meat substitutes is texture. How do you replicate the texture of steaks, ribs, brisket? These are very complex with muscle fibres, intramuscular fat, bones, connective tissues. Not easy!
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Yeah. All of the best-textured vegan foods that I’ve had are not imitation meat. Stuff like crunchy starch-based food, breads, waffle cones, chewy noodles, dumplings, pizza, shahi kofta, etc!