Tired of my tvs no longer updating to the latest software, tired of my phone no longer connecting to my car, tired of my few years old tech being considered legacy and no longer supported. Can anyone suggest non-android, non-apple, non-AI, non-connected, non-smart ‘dumb’ tech you’ve bought that makes a difference in your life? Should be hardy enough to last maybe 20 years (my even older plasma tv is still going on strong with a beautiful tv and forward firing speakers, while my newer Samsung lcd stopped receiving updates) and just do it’s job. I can live without mu ai enabled washer telling me how to wash my clothes.
Instead of paying for heat, sometimes I just wear warm clothing all day.
Every time you buy a Big Mac, set one ingredient aside. Then at the end of the week you have a free Big Mac. And you love it even more, because you made it with your own hands.
You buy a Big Mac once a day?
I haven’t used this advice myself yet, I stole it from Kevin
Nobody says there will be a complete big Mac at the end of the week
“Then at the end of the week you have a free Big Mac”
I mean, free usually implies a shittier version, no? So it could very well just be incomplete.
Same. Ps1-ps5, media box, PC. Well done! I don’t get this era of disposable tech and planned obsolescence. I get new tech, but don’t understand why I need to upgrade my phone every 2-3 years so I can WhatsApp faster.
Actually, forget planned. It’s forced obsolescence - the hardware is perfectly fine, only they want you to update your netflix client so go and buy a new tv.
No effin way that thing is 23 years old! Its got to be at least 60’s!
It’s a modern repro of a 1958 Philco Predicta. The tube and electronics are all Phillips. I spent a little extra to get Component and S-Video inputs on it. It’s a full color television. :)
My plan had been to buy an original and fix it up, but the originals are FULL of paper capacitors and each one has to be replaced. :( It was actually cheaper ($2,500 counting freight) to buy the repro in 2001.
Have you tried hoop and a stick? That shit’s wild.
Do a factory reset on your TV. Then do not let it ever connect to the internet again. Get a cheap laptop and play all your media on it through the TV.
I only use computer monitors for TVs.
That’s my big one.
I don’t want to wait anything, I don’t want specialized menus, I don’t want suggestions of any kind on my display, I simply want a larger display.
I can see no reason for getting a smart TV versus a monitor and an HDMI cable.
Just curious, but are the monitors more expensive? And do you mount them or have them sit in something?
I just feel like a 32" monitor would be a lot more expensive than a 32" tv, dumb or smart.
I did get dumb TVs also, but everything was free.
There are tons of free dumb TVs and monitors being given away online.
i guess people don’t want to go to the trouble of driving to recycling centers.
I similarly look for a table, desk or cabinet being given away for free online, and plop the monitor on that.
at one point, I had one monitor in the bedroom, one monitor in the living room and two monitors hooked up in a game room, all free.
3 hooked up to used office laptops that were $30 or less for streaming and old emulated games, and the living room TV hooked up to my main computer for streaming/modern games.
I wish people would just give away good stuff like that where I live
The suburbs of cities are where I always go. nobody in the city likes to drive for 30 minutes to a neighborhood theyre unfamiliar with, and everyone coming from outside is just trying to get into the city, so there’s always good stuff around the rim.
I will say I got lucky one time jogging and I turned back on the final block before my house and there was a pretty big flat screen just sitting on the sidewalk with a sign taped to it that said free.
so i picked that up and hauled it the last block.
lucked out on that one.
There is basically no such thing as a working dumb mobile phone any more. All the old 2G and 3G ones are now bricked because the networks all cut over to 4G/5G. Otherwise what can I say, just avoid stuff with connectivity when you can help it. Also buy corded tools and appliances unless the convenience advantage of cordless is too great to do without. Otherwise you stuck trying to replace overpriced and sometimes hard to find batteries.
If something is completely FOSS then the software angle is less of a pain in my opinion. I’m still using a beat-up Thinkpad X220 that was made in 2011, but running Debian Bullseye on it. I’ll update it to Bookworm or Trixie when I get around to it. Point is that I can do that, while any phone from 2011 is a hopeless dinosaur.
There are totally still working dumb phones that use 4g. Just be prepared for giant buttons, as the target group is mostly elderly people.
Got a link? I don’t know of any with no internet.
This one for example. Don’t know whether it technically has internet, but the smartest function it seems to have is FM radio.
That looks interetsting but they won’t ship it to the US and it’s unclear if it works with US carriers. I see some similar ones on amazon.com that might be worth looking into, though they are on the expensive side and most have unrecognizeable brands that make me a bit queasy. No-name 2G GSM phones were often below $20, and some were tiny.
Anyway thanks, that was valid answer. I had mostly looked at Nokia and similar models that had Facebook and stuff like that.
My sibling has this and it’s a fine device. TCL Flip 2
Thanks, but that is literally an Android phone:). I guess my use case for a dumb phone has decreased though. It’s now just disappointing that even “dumb” outs are bigger, more expensive, and power hungrier than old 2g phones were. It seems like a technological regression. :(
What do you mean by dumb then? You can’t get any other apps on it, and the smartest thing in it is a browser. I wouldn’t really know though, I wasn’t old enough to have a phone when flip phone were popular.
Also dumb phones are more spyware then you would think, there have been documented cases of dumb phones using sms for background communication to spy or scam
Yeah there are some dumbed down minimal function “grandma” phones that just make calls and maybe have a panic button that calls 911. I think one is called a “Cricket” or something similarly cute. But they have operating systems and I doubt that one would work for 20 years.
They are generally locked down to specific carriers too.
A 20 year cell phone isn’t happening though. The networks change out too often. I still have perfectly solid 1g, 2g, and 3g phones that are useless because the networks they used are gone. 4g still works but for how long? 5g will be around for a while, but 20 years? Dubious.
For a phone with a minimal UI, there is Light Phone. I almost bought the Nokia “banana phone” because it was used in The Matrix and I love that film. If you want something that will last a long time, maybe Fairphone (tho it is Android)
Yes Fairphone is great. My parent is still using my old v3 and is still gets updates as well has having spare parts for fixes.
Been personally skeptical of fairphone after they removed the headphone jack, and started selling wireless earbuds for like 200$. That has ruined my trust with their good intentions. They are at least a step in the right direction, but just a step.
Fairphones due to having pretty long lasting hardware are common early targets for LineageOS and PostmaketOS devs, so yeah definitely a good choice for longevity.
Google pixels are the best mainstream longevity alternative due to developer adoption in the non-Google Android communities and mobile linux communities. Pixel 1s are still getting updates to latest Lineage Android, though I’m sure it has to be super slow. Graphene only runs on Pixels.
Librem 5 or the PinePhone would probably be your best bets if you want an out of the box mobile gnu/linux.
The Light Phone looks pretty neat and I like the idea of a more minimalistic device (especially with e-paper), but it’s pretty unique hardware and a custom Android that needs jailbreaking to update if the company stops supporting it.
It also looks like the third iteration won’t have an e-paper display, so I’m not sure the beneft of that version will be against a ultra power-saving mode / locked down Android or a mobile Linux on much cheaper hardware.
Bluetooth speaker? No! Homemade PVC pipe passive amp? Yes!
Wired headphones. I like that they just plug into whatever without syncing, are cheap, light, and last basically forever. Of course I need a dongle for the vast majority of modern phones, but I a have a sturdy solid dongle and other than the annoyance of having to carry it with me (and using the word “dongle” to describe it) it works quite nicely. A wire clip is also a necessity.
Wired headphones are superior to Bluetooth in every way. I still lament the day major phone manufacturers got rid of the 3.5 Jack.
Seriously, from the bottom of my heart, fuck you Apple. Eat shit and die.
Omg! Look everyone apple did a thing we should do the same because we’re all money grubbing greedy bastards at heart.
Why does TV need software updates? Mine has software from 2013 and I have never even connected it to the internet. It showed me tv-shows then and it shows me tv-shows now.
My mum’s Samsung lost Netflix access because the app was too old, and Samsung considers it legacy and therefore won’t support it any more. There was also an article where the author lamented his phone no longer connecting to his older Android auto version. Essentially, we are being forced to replace perfectly functional hardware due to software, essentially the consumer electronics version of ‘you are out of cyan, replace the entire printer cartridge please’.
They update when someone come up with a new way to spy on you, or fix an non functioning one.
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Let’s start this off. I looked at some business displays as a replacement for a tv. They do the job, but generally don’t have great sound, so I need to buy soundbars as well. My old Panasonic 50’ is great, and I don’t mind the power draw. Will miss it when it’s gone.
The cardboard paper towel megaphone should be anyones first choice for both announcements and updates.
My Panasonic Lumix S5 camera, it has been a huge upgrade from my old GX80.
A proper digital camera has had a huge impact on my life, they have made me go and see places just because I wanted a photo.
They have really improved my quallity of life.
Unfortunately, anything modern is designed to be cheap and throwaway in design, as inflation would easily push the price of the devices today up to 4 times that of the old stuff it it were designed with the same durability. Anything old enough to be the kind of device that lasts decades is incompat as technology has marched on, and old stock “new” still has an age issue - yes, electronics still go bad just by age.
Best I can say is, for your phone, a modern old people flip phone will still connect to the cell net, but it has a stripped down Android - this is because designing a one of a kind OS for a phone that has to use VoLTE VoIP and RCS messaging would be absurdly expensive, and slapping a bottom barrel SoC with Android already made for it is way cheaper. Phones all come with web browsers because the data net is now they do voice these days, so why not include a basic feature that can be useful to some? My first cell phone was a flip phone with 1.5MB RAM that didn’t even have bluetooth and it had a web browser… which was hot garbage, barely able to show me a paragraph on the tiny screen and slower than dialup but I did on occason try to use it.
You can try the Lightphone or Lightphone 2, which is an “anti-feature” phone that specifically does not come with any features.
Samsung washing machines have been a PITA due to Samsung making them with sketchy quality. I’d say a cheap front loader from the hardware store would be good enough, if they have a non-smart appliance.
The smart TV thing is getting annoying, especially since everyone is doing it at all price points, but a computer monitor ($~100 for 21") does not have smart anything, has hdmi, and probably you will use your own stuff to connect to it. Only problem is if the monitor lacks an HDMI ARC port, which is an HDMI that can send audio data back thru the link for sound systems, which you will need because monitors have trash speakers, unless you have a god tier set of 2.1 speakers with a 3.5mm jack.
As for the car and bluetooth, it’s always a hassle - the older the car the less likely bluetooth will work reliably if at all, but if you take calls on the road, you have to keep this working, as it is a safety issue. As for car spying, research the car and find out how to disconnect the telemetry modem. Until very recently, a lot of older cars with telemetry run just fine with the modem disconnected, or an aftermarket head unit installed with the telemetry unit disconnected.
Awesome response, thanks! I actually have an unopened ipod mini from way back. It has a headphone jack and should still be supported by modern mac’s (I hope).
Agree with everything you said re the smart tv it sucks bdig ones. Wonder why they don’t make large format 50+’ monitors, I’d be happy with that and use my phone for Netflix/ YouTube etc. The way it is now is I’ll have the tv with a non functional set of apps and still have to use my phone any way.
The car? I’d hate for my car to stop getting updates for apple / android suites after x number of years. Most head end units are now integrated with car functions, so not even sure how to replace those when the time inevitably comes. Happily using basic connectivity with Bluetooth and no android/ apple suite.
I was interested in these “light” phones for a bit, but they seem a bit gimmicky and expensive. I understand not having a browser on purpose, but for communication, none of them (AFAIK) support Matrix or even XMPP (even some old feature phones had a Java Jabber client). Punkt MP02 supports Signal though.
Android phone with custom ROM (Lineage, /e/, Graphene, DivestOS…) is a possibility, and would be usable until hardware is incompatible with the phone/wifi networks.
If you have a patience of a saint, PinePhone and Librem5 are Linux phones, both in fairly early stages.
Problem is these aftermarket roms have way more frequent updates. OP is tired of constant updating, complicated interfaces, and wants something that “just works”. Good luck with that.
