That s not true , of course doing the basic minimum of a normal human IS required but its not enough to have a gf today.
The loneliness epidemic is real and not all lonely guy are complete moron.
Personally I think one major factor is the privatization of love.
Wow this has a lot of up votes. Of course the loneliness epidemic is real but why blame something nebulous like the privatization of love when capitalism is right there. There’s a profit motive in getting people to work longer hours for less pay and have less free time to build community
Very thankful my community has public libraries, churches, community bike shops, makerspaces, etc because I know they’re declining in some places, churches especially (too bad they’re religious and they can’t just switch to community organizations) also civic clubs like Rotary and lions club.
Can’t take those orgs for granted they decay without involvement
Yes I just wanted to be more precise , in fact I was talking about the fact that more than halft of the meeting are donne thanks to dating app and that the algorithms of those app are made to make you dependent of those app and not for there original purpose .
I think I m not clear but basically enshitifaction of dating app are a real problem and one major cause of loneliness that s what I wanted to say.
Sorry for my broken english its not my first language
Oh yeah dating apps are a problem of capitalism too – I know some people who’ve met their life partners on old apps but that’s despite their tendency to keep you addicted to the app rather than finding someone
Ask someone out for coffee. Talk about your week. Ask about theirs. Don’t treat the interaction as a pass/fail. Repeat. If you have mutual attraction then nature will play out.
Doing the bare minimum hygiene and the appearance of happiness drastically improves your chances.
Dating is for finding someone you enjoy being around. Sex is a result of growing closer.
Obviously some people have it easier than others but I have peers that just refuse to ask people out for coffee or a lunch. I’m a late millennial if that matters.
Be a decent person and if a love interest doesn’t personally find you attractive they WILL tell their friends. NEVER talk poorly about your previous relationships. Learn a few jokes.
The privatization of love is a real problem but the classic approach isn’t dead.
Get out of the house. Join some group activities. Enrich yourself. Make some friends.
If you are looking for a more specific example then try yoga or an exercise group like cycling. These kind of activities signal that you are looking to improve yourself and that is always a plus. Just remember not to leer and be polite.
You’re upset that other person is jumping to conclusions about you, yet you jumped to conclusions about the thread OP and something burger not having the ability to come up with the advice you doled out.
Your responses implied that they needed was some rudimentary social knowledge when they’re trying to explain that the loneliness epidemic is more nuanced than the meme portrayed it as.
I said ask someone out to coffee and they responded “who”? The implication was that they aren’t exposed to a lot of people.
Hopefully seeing my “typical” advice will inspire someone to give it a try instead of just ignoring it as a neurotypical approach.
I’m just trying to spread advice on what worked for me. And I’m speaking in general whereas Nothing burger directly called me neurotypical with the intent to discredit my advice.
That being said I’m getting a little adgitated by some of the dms I have received.
Again: who? That part is always missing. “Talk to people!” and say what? I can’t go to a random person and ask them what their favorite color is. How do I pick a person and what do I tell them? This question is seemingly impossible to answer, as no one ever gave me one.
If you have someone like a therapist/counselor/psychologist.
I don’t believe in pseudo-science. Those people can’t do anything. They are not real doctors. They will not cure my autism. Plus, they are expensive and not reimbursed by social security (this is how you know it’s a scam, unlike actual medical professionals).
Therapists et al aren’t trying to cure autism. They help people navigate social situations, personal and social problems and confusion, and (this part is unrelated) emotional and psychological issues.
You may be able to benefit from a therapist helping discover a set of unspoken rules that certain social interactions are based on, and create a plan of action to engage using those rules, instead of “curing your autism” which isn’t possible.
Have a good day. I don’t think I can achieve anything here over text.
Therapy and psychology is valid. There are plenty of providers that operate with a sliding scale and if you income is what I assume you will be free/low cost case.
You don’t need to “cure” your autism. You just need to identify the parts of you that are more abrasive and manage them.
I hope you find what you are looking for, or at the least find someone to help you work on yourself.
I mean, you can’t just get fit and expect someone to come knocking on your door. If you are feeling good about your looks now, that’s an accomplishment you can be happy about, and should, but it doesn’t send out some secret signal that you are ready for a relationship. You have to talk to actual people. You can meet them out in the world or on an app, you can also tell any friends you have that you are looking to start dating, network. I think friends of friends and dating apps are the most usual ways of getting dates now. When I was young we just hung out in groups and some people always people ended up paired off, didn’t really date per se, but my kids don’t seem to do that as much.
So basically - now you are happy about your physical shape, you still have to reach out to people, that is the next step.
I’m not. It took me almost 4 years to have a normal BMI, yet I’m still super skinny, my face is still horrible, and I’m not even that good at weight lifting (bench-pressing 60kg is terrible).
You have to talk to actual people.
Who? And say what?
This “advice” is always repeated by people like you, yet they can’t answer the most basic question about it.
you can also tell any friends you have that you are looking to start dating, network.
They know, but what can they do about it?
dating apps
I used several apps for 2 years and got nothing. Maybe a match every six months. Those apps are scams anyway; I know for a fact Tinder shadowbans accounts of people they deem too ugly. I did an experiment with a friend once; we both set our search perimeter to less than a kilometer. I could see her account, but she couldn’t see mine.
you still have to reach out to people
Again: who? Say what? I asked that question to several people over the years, both IRL and on Reddit/Lemmy, and NEVER got an answer.
You are talking to us here, now. I know you do rock climbing and weight lifting. If you have friends, you talk to them too. It’s not different from that. You are doing it already. There’s not a formula.
What friends can do is tell their friends you are a great guy and introduce you to other people. That’s what networking is, the same way you network computers, you network human relationships, by connecting them.
You are talking to us here, now. I know you do rock climbing and weight lifting. If you have friends, you talk to them too. It’s not different from that. You are doing it already. There’s not a formula.
I did not randomly send you a DM. We were both on the same thread (so a conversation subject was already decided), and the very structure of Lemmy makes it acceptable to reply to random people in various threads, with the added benefit of it being in written form. Real life is very different; I can’t just listen to conversations people I don’t know are having, and randomly interject when I feel I have something relevant to say.
What friends can do is tell their friends you are a great guy and introduce you to other people. That’s what networking is, the same way you network computers, you network human relationships, by connecting them.
I understand what that is, but it cannot work. I know one tried at least twice to hook me up with someone. They do not have the power to fix me. No one does.
I strongly recommend being happy, one of the best feelings really. I’ve tried the other emotions and they just don’t feel the same.
(But seriously I’m no fun when I’m depressed. People like being around happy people, it’s contagious)
My issue is with your first sentence (cis white man that is about as just barely straight). With all of the talk about equality, equity, and BS gender roles, I’m still expected to make all of the initial moves and decisions in real life and on apps. However, I’m mildly on the spectrum and my natural tenancy is to be very aggressive in my methods (not in a violent way and not just with people, just mean I am very earnest, locked in, and tenacious with most things I do).
I have never been approached, hit on, or asked out by a women in real life, though I have by men a couple of times. When I’m in public or at a bar I am literally invisible, unless I happen to walk into a women’s zone of awareness (not personal space, but the point/distance where they then have to make a judgment as to whether I am a threat or not).
The advantage of online dating is that if I match with someone it’s reasonable to assume they are interested in me which puts me past the initial barrier in real life of not being able to tell. At that point I’m pretty OK at interacting with a person and flirting etc. However, my hobbies and the things I would like a partner to enjoy doing with me are very male dominated.
The result of this is that I haven’t ever had a partner or dated someone who didn’t have crippling anxiety and/or deep self-image issues where they use their partner for all of the validation and structure they haven’t figured out how to do from within themselves. Which at least to me makes sense, since women with the same interests as mine are surrounded by men all the time everyday, and so the confident well adjusted women have the metaphorical pick of the litter and probably end up with one of the few not problematic men in that space that are also well adjusted.
I am well aware it’s far more complicated than that, and that women face a number of other struggles, but Game Theory does still very much apply, and so as I was saying before despite all of the rhetoric about equity, I still have to play by the old rules while somehow also playing by the new ones at the same time.
It sounds like online dating is a boon to you. As far as your hobbies go you should try branching out into less male dominated ones. Sometimes you meet someone that you can spend time in each other’s worlds but maintain your own as well. It sounds like you have some real barriers to overcome.
Like I said, it’s my only option really, but been doing it when out of a relationship for at least a decade.
Not to be too snarky, I know you are just trying to be helpful, but I have tons of hobbies I enjoy and not enough time and money to enjoy the ones that I do have. I’m not looking for someone that shares my every hobby, but the only women I seem to connect with are of the engineering STEM type, but the interest has always been very one sided.
Another unfortunate part of our current reality is that life at this point almost assumes there are two working people in a household. It can be very difficult just getting daily and weekly responsibilities done with any time left over.
Then being told that despite doing everything society says one should do and be to be desirable to a partner (including being understanding and respectful of others struggles, trauma, neurodiversity, etc.) basically being told I just need to be more social is infuriating. So the fact that I’m introverted and find lots of social interaction taxing is something I need to get over, but I need to just accept that I will never have someone ASK ME out and I need to be patient and understanding with everyone I interact with?
I said, I know you are just trying to be helpful, and this frustration isn’t directed at you, but life more generally. It’s something I have gotten a lot of and feels a lot like “hopes and prayers”. It’s a reaction people seem to have wanting to somehow cognitively decouple from the core root cause and find a way to other me and what I need to do so that they don’t have to really engage with and think about the cold reality of it all.
Thank you for the well thought out reply. I understand what you are trying to say. The finances and time to pursue love can’t just be snatched out of the ether. Do not lose hope and become bitter. The only advice I have left is that if you have trouble being the instigator then the kink community may introduce you to someone more forward.
It’s amusing you mention the kink community, because that’s kinda where I have been thinking about recently. I’m very much a versatile, but have only ever been the dominate one (I have never knowingly met or interacted with a dominate women that wasn’t an obvious scammer). I have always been kink adjacent, meaning people I have dated or know are/were involved in it, but I never have been. I have poked around and found there are some Femdom related meetups and munches in my area, so I do plan on scoping one of them out at some point.
My only real ‘hesitation’ is just the type of women in my area that tend to be involved in kink in my area tend to be a bit larger and older than I would prefer 😅. Not that I’m shaming them for that, everyone should be comfortable in their own bodies. In fact, I would estimate at least 80% of my partners have weighed more than me while being shorter than me. I’m not actually that picky, I just know that ultimately I would like someone who is at a similar activity level and overall level of fitness. I’m not looking for a super model.
I am exactly average for my height and weight… if it were the 1970s. That eliminates 66% of the population in my area though and is likely something I will likely concede on as I have in the past.
Really, I’m mostly holding out for VR or holographic projections to get to a point where I can reasonably pretend/convince myself (not actually but you know what I mean) it’s good enough. Something along the lines of what K has in his apartment in Blade Runner 2049. I’m thinking in like 20-30 years maybe?
Edit: I actually did the math not too long ago pulling data from the most recent census and Pew Research and the number of women that match my criteria and are on dating apps in my area is about 35. Well like 35.6 but I’m not sure if I should count on the double leg amputee or not (joking). That number is likely a little smaller due to some things I couldn’t get numbers for.
That s not true , of course doing the basic minimum of a normal human IS required but its not enough to have a gf today. The loneliness epidemic is real and not all lonely guy are complete moron. Personally I think one major factor is the privatization of love.
Wow this has a lot of up votes. Of course the loneliness epidemic is real but why blame something nebulous like the privatization of love when capitalism is right there. There’s a profit motive in getting people to work longer hours for less pay and have less free time to build community
Don’t forget the commodification of all the 3rd places so now there’s no real place for people to interact without having to spend money
Very thankful my community has public libraries, churches, community bike shops, makerspaces, etc because I know they’re declining in some places, churches especially (too bad they’re religious and they can’t just switch to community organizations) also civic clubs like Rotary and lions club.
Can’t take those orgs for granted they decay without involvement
Yes I just wanted to be more precise , in fact I was talking about the fact that more than halft of the meeting are donne thanks to dating app and that the algorithms of those app are made to make you dependent of those app and not for there original purpose . I think I m not clear but basically enshitifaction of dating app are a real problem and one major cause of loneliness that s what I wanted to say. Sorry for my broken english its not my first language
Oh yeah dating apps are a problem of capitalism too – I know some people who’ve met their life partners on old apps but that’s despite their tendency to keep you addicted to the app rather than finding someone
Ask someone out for coffee. Talk about your week. Ask about theirs. Don’t treat the interaction as a pass/fail. Repeat. If you have mutual attraction then nature will play out.
Doing the bare minimum hygiene and the appearance of happiness drastically improves your chances.
Dating is for finding someone you enjoy being around. Sex is a result of growing closer.
Obviously some people have it easier than others but I have peers that just refuse to ask people out for coffee or a lunch. I’m a late millennial if that matters.
Be a decent person and if a love interest doesn’t personally find you attractive they WILL tell their friends. NEVER talk poorly about your previous relationships. Learn a few jokes.
The privatization of love is a real problem but the classic approach isn’t dead.
Who?
Get out of the house. Join some group activities. Enrich yourself. Make some friends.
If you are looking for a more specific example then try yoga or an exercise group like cycling. These kind of activities signal that you are looking to improve yourself and that is always a plus. Just remember not to leer and be polite.
OK, I’ve been weightlifting and bouldering for three years now.
Now what? Neurotypicals like you never explain the next step.
I recommend not calling someone you exchanged two comments with neurotypical. It’s quite rude and in this case outright wrong.
Since we are talking in circles refer to my first statement.
Ask someone out for coffee. (In case you are wondering the unwritten first rule is introduce yourself)
If you have someone like a therapist/counselor/psychologist. I reccomend you work with them to smooth your edges.
You’re upset that other person is jumping to conclusions about you, yet you jumped to conclusions about the thread OP and something burger not having the ability to come up with the advice you doled out.
Your responses implied that they needed was some rudimentary social knowledge when they’re trying to explain that the loneliness epidemic is more nuanced than the meme portrayed it as.
Tbh your advice was pretty typical
I said ask someone out to coffee and they responded “who”? The implication was that they aren’t exposed to a lot of people.
Hopefully seeing my “typical” advice will inspire someone to give it a try instead of just ignoring it as a neurotypical approach.
I’m just trying to spread advice on what worked for me. And I’m speaking in general whereas Nothing burger directly called me neurotypical with the intent to discredit my advice.
That being said I’m getting a little adgitated by some of the dms I have received.
Again: who? That part is always missing. “Talk to people!” and say what? I can’t go to a random person and ask them what their favorite color is. How do I pick a person and what do I tell them? This question is seemingly impossible to answer, as no one ever gave me one.
I don’t believe in pseudo-science. Those people can’t do anything. They are not real doctors. They will not cure my autism. Plus, they are expensive and not reimbursed by social security (this is how you know it’s a scam, unlike actual medical professionals).
Therapists et al aren’t trying to cure autism. They help people navigate social situations, personal and social problems and confusion, and (this part is unrelated) emotional and psychological issues.
You may be able to benefit from a therapist helping discover a set of unspoken rules that certain social interactions are based on, and create a plan of action to engage using those rules, instead of “curing your autism” which isn’t possible.
Have a good day. I don’t think I can achieve anything here over text.
Therapy and psychology is valid. There are plenty of providers that operate with a sliding scale and if you income is what I assume you will be free/low cost case.
You don’t need to “cure” your autism. You just need to identify the parts of you that are more abrasive and manage them.
I hope you find what you are looking for, or at the least find someone to help you work on yourself.
And you didn’t answer my question : who do I talk to and what do I say to them? Every time. You people are so predictable.
I mean, you can’t just get fit and expect someone to come knocking on your door. If you are feeling good about your looks now, that’s an accomplishment you can be happy about, and should, but it doesn’t send out some secret signal that you are ready for a relationship. You have to talk to actual people. You can meet them out in the world or on an app, you can also tell any friends you have that you are looking to start dating, network. I think friends of friends and dating apps are the most usual ways of getting dates now. When I was young we just hung out in groups and some people always people ended up paired off, didn’t really date per se, but my kids don’t seem to do that as much.
So basically - now you are happy about your physical shape, you still have to reach out to people, that is the next step.
I’m not. It took me almost 4 years to have a normal BMI, yet I’m still super skinny, my face is still horrible, and I’m not even that good at weight lifting (bench-pressing 60kg is terrible).
Who? And say what?
This “advice” is always repeated by people like you, yet they can’t answer the most basic question about it.
They know, but what can they do about it?
I used several apps for 2 years and got nothing. Maybe a match every six months. Those apps are scams anyway; I know for a fact Tinder shadowbans accounts of people they deem too ugly. I did an experiment with a friend once; we both set our search perimeter to less than a kilometer. I could see her account, but she couldn’t see mine.
Again: who? Say what? I asked that question to several people over the years, both IRL and on Reddit/Lemmy, and NEVER got an answer.
You are talking to us here, now. I know you do rock climbing and weight lifting. If you have friends, you talk to them too. It’s not different from that. You are doing it already. There’s not a formula.
What friends can do is tell their friends you are a great guy and introduce you to other people. That’s what networking is, the same way you network computers, you network human relationships, by connecting them.
I did not randomly send you a DM. We were both on the same thread (so a conversation subject was already decided), and the very structure of Lemmy makes it acceptable to reply to random people in various threads, with the added benefit of it being in written form. Real life is very different; I can’t just listen to conversations people I don’t know are having, and randomly interject when I feel I have something relevant to say.
I understand what that is, but it cannot work. I know one tried at least twice to hook me up with someone. They do not have the power to fix me. No one does.
I see now. That is holding me back by a lot.
The whole fake it till you make it thing can be applicable here but therapy is valid and cheaper than you think. You are worthy and deserving of love.
I strongly recommend being happy, one of the best feelings really. I’ve tried the other emotions and they just don’t feel the same. (But seriously I’m no fun when I’m depressed. People like being around happy people, it’s contagious)
Rule 1. Be happy.
Rule 2. Don’t be unhappy.
My issue is with your first sentence (cis white man that is about as just barely straight). With all of the talk about equality, equity, and BS gender roles, I’m still expected to make all of the initial moves and decisions in real life and on apps. However, I’m mildly on the spectrum and my natural tenancy is to be very aggressive in my methods (not in a violent way and not just with people, just mean I am very earnest, locked in, and tenacious with most things I do).
I have never been approached, hit on, or asked out by a women in real life, though I have by men a couple of times. When I’m in public or at a bar I am literally invisible, unless I happen to walk into a women’s zone of awareness (not personal space, but the point/distance where they then have to make a judgment as to whether I am a threat or not).
The advantage of online dating is that if I match with someone it’s reasonable to assume they are interested in me which puts me past the initial barrier in real life of not being able to tell. At that point I’m pretty OK at interacting with a person and flirting etc. However, my hobbies and the things I would like a partner to enjoy doing with me are very male dominated.
The result of this is that I haven’t ever had a partner or dated someone who didn’t have crippling anxiety and/or deep self-image issues where they use their partner for all of the validation and structure they haven’t figured out how to do from within themselves. Which at least to me makes sense, since women with the same interests as mine are surrounded by men all the time everyday, and so the confident well adjusted women have the metaphorical pick of the litter and probably end up with one of the few not problematic men in that space that are also well adjusted.
I am well aware it’s far more complicated than that, and that women face a number of other struggles, but Game Theory does still very much apply, and so as I was saying before despite all of the rhetoric about equity, I still have to play by the old rules while somehow also playing by the new ones at the same time.
It’s exhausting.
It sounds like online dating is a boon to you. As far as your hobbies go you should try branching out into less male dominated ones. Sometimes you meet someone that you can spend time in each other’s worlds but maintain your own as well. It sounds like you have some real barriers to overcome.
Like I said, it’s my only option really, but been doing it when out of a relationship for at least a decade.
Not to be too snarky, I know you are just trying to be helpful, but I have tons of hobbies I enjoy and not enough time and money to enjoy the ones that I do have. I’m not looking for someone that shares my every hobby, but the only women I seem to connect with are of the engineering STEM type, but the interest has always been very one sided.
Another unfortunate part of our current reality is that life at this point almost assumes there are two working people in a household. It can be very difficult just getting daily and weekly responsibilities done with any time left over.
Then being told that despite doing everything society says one should do and be to be desirable to a partner (including being understanding and respectful of others struggles, trauma, neurodiversity, etc.) basically being told I just need to be more social is infuriating. So the fact that I’m introverted and find lots of social interaction taxing is something I need to get over, but I need to just accept that I will never have someone ASK ME out and I need to be patient and understanding with everyone I interact with?
I said, I know you are just trying to be helpful, and this frustration isn’t directed at you, but life more generally. It’s something I have gotten a lot of and feels a lot like “hopes and prayers”. It’s a reaction people seem to have wanting to somehow cognitively decouple from the core root cause and find a way to other me and what I need to do so that they don’t have to really engage with and think about the cold reality of it all.
Thank you for the well thought out reply. I understand what you are trying to say. The finances and time to pursue love can’t just be snatched out of the ether. Do not lose hope and become bitter. The only advice I have left is that if you have trouble being the instigator then the kink community may introduce you to someone more forward.
It’s amusing you mention the kink community, because that’s kinda where I have been thinking about recently. I’m very much a versatile, but have only ever been the dominate one (I have never knowingly met or interacted with a dominate women that wasn’t an obvious scammer). I have always been kink adjacent, meaning people I have dated or know are/were involved in it, but I never have been. I have poked around and found there are some Femdom related meetups and munches in my area, so I do plan on scoping one of them out at some point.
My only real ‘hesitation’ is just the type of women in my area that tend to be involved in kink in my area tend to be a bit larger and older than I would prefer 😅. Not that I’m shaming them for that, everyone should be comfortable in their own bodies. In fact, I would estimate at least 80% of my partners have weighed more than me while being shorter than me. I’m not actually that picky, I just know that ultimately I would like someone who is at a similar activity level and overall level of fitness. I’m not looking for a super model.
I am exactly average for my height and weight… if it were the 1970s. That eliminates 66% of the population in my area though and is likely something I will likely concede on as I have in the past.
Really, I’m mostly holding out for VR or holographic projections to get to a point where I can reasonably pretend/convince myself (not actually but you know what I mean) it’s good enough. Something along the lines of what K has in his apartment in Blade Runner 2049. I’m thinking in like 20-30 years maybe?
Edit: I actually did the math not too long ago pulling data from the most recent census and Pew Research and the number of women that match my criteria and are on dating apps in my area is about 35. Well like 35.6 but I’m not sure if I should count on the double leg amputee or not (joking). That number is likely a little smaller due to some things I couldn’t get numbers for.
Some people are gay.
The lesbian harem is keeping me from getting a girlfriend!
That’s okay.