• Deestan@lemmy.world
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    Training the models is very resource intensive, but after that it’s basically fine. I can run Midjourney image generation on my modest gaming laptop. Takes maybe 30 seconds for a high-resolution image at a laptop’s “gaming mode” power consumption.

    AI image generation is comparable in electric use to e.g. playing Valheim or Elden Ring.

    It’s when it’s scaled up industrially that it becomes a huge waste of electricity. Me playing Valhelm for 5 minutes is nothing. My startup creating 20000 bots playing Valheim 24/7 is a problem for society.

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      It’s the mining of diamonds that kills all the children. After the diamond is mined, I can use it with almost no child deaths. Diamonds are fine.

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        No, using an already-trained model doesn’t “use up” the model in exactly the same way that pirating a movie doesn’t steal anything from Hollywood.

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        I mean yeah: if we went and killed every person who benefits from conflict diamonds and closed all blood diamond mines why wouldn’t you be cool with using the resources? Their evil origin has little to do with their practical utility and if the original sin is expiated there’s no reason not to?

        Like yeah conflict diamonds have basically no purpose because we can make diamonds cheaper and better in labs but in a situation where there are more practical uses (cobalt, LLMs) once we cleanse the land of the sinners why wouldn’t we use their ill gotten gains for good?

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          Do the concepts “reparations” or “compensation for loss and damage” mean anything to you?

          The people who were exploited should be the ones to benefit from those diamonds.

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              Sounds like you think we should use the diamonds. I wouldn’t be cool with using those diamonds because they belong to the people who were forced to mine them, not me.

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        I see your point and agree with it, but I believe you read more defense in my comment than I tried to put in.

        I’m not in favor of this waste.

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      Is Midjourney available for use locally now? Or have you misunderstood Midjourney taking 30 seconds to generate from their server as happening locally?

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        I know a guy that uses Stable Diffusion XL locally with a few LORAs, last time I’ve heard one 2k image took 2 minutes on RTX 30 or 40 something

        IDK how expensive is Midjourney in comparison, but running it locally doesn’t sound impossible

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    click ‘no’.

    reconfigure.

    set dimensions: 50000x50000

    DO IT

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    I swear 50% of Mastodon’s feed is just people having mass hysteria about AI and not understanding how any of it works

    Also constantly getting baited about how AI is definitely the reason global warming is happening despite, you know, waves to virtually everything running on fossil fuels

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      To be fair the cost benefit ratio of llms is way out of whack. It’s even behind outdoor heating in bars.

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        It’s the same as my enjoyment of video games, 3D modeling, or video editing - my gpu spins up for a few minutes.

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          Lmao. But ya true, it’s not fair to consider all LLM use equally.

          Although I’ve made gpt write nonsense poem for me, most of my prompts are work related that saves me countless hours.

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      Ummm, obviously exaggerated but still true, and yeah the fossil fuels are the cause of climate change but AI is driving up the usage.

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        Honestly it is makes the problem a little worse. It is far from the cause. You can run AI on clean power.

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          But they aren’t running it on clean power? And so it is a massive contributor?

          That’s like saying it’s fine to waste food because it can theoretically be grown sustainably, even when the food you’re wasting wasn’t.

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    Don’t worry, we’re not there yet. It can’t even decently generate its own dialog box.

    Edit: second version gave me a brain hemmorhage

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    Well “small city” means a decent chance it’s some rural town that voted for Drump sooo they get what they voted for ig ¯⁠\_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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    Technically possible to do since you have diminishing returns on accuracy by scaling the operation up.

    You could use that much power to generate a 200x200 avatar, if a person had that much authority and actually wanted to.

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      The original poster could @ this community, then it would show up here…

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      As far as I know, not even mbin allows crossposting between the microblog side and the thread side with any kind of attribution. But I agree, we should be able to post it to different parts of the ActivityPub world.

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      Surly federation has a cleaner way to do this?

      I don’t know, but even-tenpered federation might. And don’t call me Sir Lee.