The racism is just so deeply ingrained they don’t understand, and there’s not much to say about Obama at this point; he’s taking the piss and he knows it.
The racism is just so deeply ingrained they don’t understand, and there’s not much to say about Obama at this point; he’s taking the piss and he knows it.
There is nothing in this picture that has anything to do with what you said.
Obama is taking the piss because it was him who was in charge when nato fucking destroyed Libya, murdered Gaddafi, reinstalled slavery, and the country has been fucked ever since.
Had he not fucking ruined the country none of this would be a major problem.
RIP coronel you were a weird guy
Remember when he went to the UN with a proposal to carve up Switzerland? Lmao
My favorite is that he was in unrequited love with condoleeza rice, binder full of pictures and everything
A reactionary relative of mine (and the lib I work with) didn’t want to believe this was true (because Parenti’s a socialist), so we googled several of the points and they all came up true and I told them the rest would too. The reactionary relative now wonders what the point of overthrowing Gaddafi was and the
is seriously defending it (in a roundabout way; he won’t directly say he supports overthrowing Gaddafi, but instead wants to say that the people should have a right to choose their leader) as people having the right to pick their leader; his defense of saying that Gaddafi was bad is that maybe someone could have come around who would have been better.
The reactionary has better politics than the lib, and yes, it’s coming from an earnest place of being upset that the Libyan people are suffering needlessly. The lib is instead seriously trying to have a discussion about the importance of democracy when an actual nation of people’s future has literally been taken from them.
You should point them on to this then:
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2013/01/12/gaddafis-libya-was-africas-most-prosperous-democracy/
And when they question the contents of this article. The New York Times article is here: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/world/africa/20libya.html
You’ll notice it still tries to frame him as “authoritarian”, but read beyond that and ask questions about these councils and committees, it becomes obvious his leadership was one of popular support in a system that was MORE democratic than representative democracies are rather than authoritarianism. The word “authoritarian” is absurd to use for this system tbh. But that is the word america applies to all enemies of the US.
Keep working on that reactionary you know. In my experience some of the right wingers are easier to reach than liberals if they’re mature enough to engage with these topics.
Oh and don’t let them forget that every word the socialists said about it was true.
Daaaaaaaaamn, I just read the article in the first link you gave; that’s extremely impressive. I legit had no idea it was like that.
I’m teaching the
about Libya’s system and he’s definitely surprised and confused; he keeps asking about how people can take Gaddafi’s position if they wanted it and I had to keep explaining that his position was without political power, that the country was run by the people and policies chosen by the people, but he kept harping on about Gaddafi because he can’t wrap his around wanting to believe the guy was a brutal, authoritarian dictator who silenced dissent and journalists, and people having the political power to alter how the country functions.
I’m not showing him the second link because this guy wants to believe US propaganda in regards to any of their geopolitical rivals, he’s not going to question anything the NYT article says. I keep telling him of the political power the people had, even to the extent of rejecting Gaddafi’s proposals such as ending the death penalty, and he’s still struggling to understand/believe/reconciling what he wants to believe about Gaddafi and what the reality of Libya’s government was. This guy wants to trust US empire.
Thanks for the links; daaaaaaamn, I had no idea Libya’s government functioned like this.
This is the main problem with people who trust the media unconditionally as “authorities” that wouldn’t ever lie or mislead them. You give truthful structural information to people who’s brains are filled with
by the media and they reject it because it doesn’t fit with the narrative they have already chosen to believe. Now you’re coming up against a barrier of “one of these people are lying and I don’t want to believe it’s the media” wall.
@[email protected] is probably also tapping for information on this as I think they’ve been actively reading into Gaddafi recently, I’ve read some in the past but it’s not really fresh in my mind. Comrades just out of fresh reading tend to have extra info and extra criticisms to add.
Thank you for posting educational stuff and not a pig shit. I never knew any of that. Holy shit. That sounds amazing. I’ve gotta go look more into this.
Gaddafi was a weird one. By our standards he’s a reactionary, he rejected socialism but also rejected liberalism and wanted to find another way that wasn’t either. He wrote the green book (inspired by Mao’s little red book) going over some of his views.
He deserves criticism, but at the same time there is absolutely no arguing that he wasn’t vastly superior to unfettered capitalism. He also experimented with a kind of democracy that hasn’t really been done anywhere else ever, this will come across as a surprise to anyone who has heard the ebil dictator propaganda, but that’s par for the course when it comes to dealing with how the US portrays its enemies. It is very much worth your time to explore: https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2013/01/12/gaddafis-libya-was-africas-most-prosperous-democracy/
Again I’m not without criticism for him. I fundamentally believe his path was a mistake, and its failure sort of makes that clear. Had he centralised more power rather than implementing this form of democracy he could have kept Libya’s nukes, and then what followed would never have happened. I applaud wanting to achieve this level of democracy but think it’s a huge mistake and ignored the material conditions in an irresponsible way. It’s something worth aiming for, but progressing too quickly in this area leaves gaps for the state to fail that put millions of peoples lives at risk.
Anyway this is one of the reasons why we have a visceral hatred of Hillary Clinton. She orchestrated much of what happened to Libya. And she was proud of it. https://youtu.be/6DXDU48RHLU https://youtu.be/ABdF7dyUIcc
Fucking evil monsters walk this planet. Pisses me off just talking about it.
If we’re going to talk evil monsters, let’s also add a Clinton friend into the discussion: Madeleine Albright
When asked if she thinks half a million Iraqi children dead to have successful sanctions was worth it she said she does.
The US government is full of little Kissingers.
I waited the whole minute and was not disappointed
Is ‘dronie’ a thing? I’d love that to become more popular as a counter to tankie
short answer: if you want it to be
It’s been around for years but not common. Not common enough.
Obama isn’t literally taking a piss in this picture. 5/5 Pinocchios.
Ah I forgot that some people were still too young to remember what happened in 2011. Back then Obama alongside nato aided France in overthrowing Gaddafi, which led to a civil war and the country breaking down. One of your parents could probably help shed some more light on the matter.
As for the matter regarding the lib’s racism, I wouldn’t worry about it yet; there’ll be lots of time when you hit puberty.
Why do fuckheads like you come here to defend criminals? Seriously like why?
Have you considered fucking all the way off?