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Summary
Tipping in U.S. restaurants has dropped to 19.3%, the lowest in six years, driven by frustration over rising menu prices and increased prompts for tips in non-traditional settings.
Only 38% of consumers tipped 20% or more in 2024, down from 56% in 2021, reflecting tighter budgets.
Diners are cutting back on outings, spending less, and tipping less. Some restaurants are adding service fees, further reducing tips.
Worker advocacy groups are pushing to eliminate the tipped-wage system, while the restaurant industry warns these shifts hurt business and employees.
Key cities like D.C. and Chicago are phasing in higher minimum wages for tipped workers.
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Tipping culture and systems need to die off. Sadly, because they often get paid more via tips than they would by increased hourly wages, tipped employees are often against such reforms.
And, to be fair, for most restaurants, it would be really hard for them to pay their wait staff appropriate wages in many cities where rent is extremely high and the cost of the food products they use to create their meals is rising as well. It’s not a simple matter of “the employer should pay their employees’ wages, not the customer.” The industry is built around tipping, and that’s not something that can be changed overnight.
Still, I firmly believe it needs to happen. And if that means increasing the price of restaurant meals, so be it. I suspect people eat out too much these days anyway and should learn to cook themselves. I used to eat out a lot until I did some calculations and realized I was spending way too much on it. Since learning to cook, I’ve saved a lot of money and now prefer my own cooking to a lot of restaurant fare out there (although not the really good stuff—I’m no professional chef).
“Corporations and Restaurants refuse to pay waiters a living wage, subsidizing their salaries with their already drawn thin customers’ depressed wages.”
There, I fixed the title so it identifies the actual problem rather than causing divisions in the working classes.
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good work Americans, keep it up.
don’t stop until the rate is 0%. paying workers is the employer’s job.
Yeah! Thank you so much for punishing the servers and delivery drivers instead of business owners and making it harder for me to pay rent and feed myself! You’re all such wonderful people!
You’re a victim of the system you’re protecting. Enough with the Stockholm Syndrome.
I mean this is the better way to do it honestly. People generally tipping less means those positions basically pay less. The whole reason people work those jobs is because with good tips you can make some serious bank. Stop making bank, people will move elsewhere, can’t hire servers because tips don’t pay well enough? Then start paying them. If the alternative is everyone just stops tipping tomorrow then people would really be screwed, because they wouldn’t have time to transition.
Sure it sucks they’re getting paid less, but if the alternative is this “you better pay our workers so they can eat because we ain’t gonna do it” then I’d say it’s a pretty welcome change.
It’s also not like the tip amount dropped to 5% or something. Prices have been going nuts lately, so the tips are probably about the same cash amount as they have been, which is just a smaller percent of the now larger bill.
“I mean this is the better way to do it honestly.”
It’s not. The better way is for people who don’t want to tip to stop going out to places or using services where tipping is customary. That way nobody is increasingly encouraged to perform labor for less than they’re work is worth. If there are not enough customer’s because of this then the businesses will change or perish. All of this anti-tipping sentiment leads me to believe is that if these customers were to trade places with the owners then they’d pay their laborer’s just as little.
That’s like employers holding someone hostage and then claiming any harm that comes to them is your fault.
I feel like this is 90% of politics; a gun is held to someone’s head for a hostage demand, and to not give in to the demand is to be as bad as the shooter themselves.
“How could you shoot down my bill for a Coal Chugging Committee? It would’ve created so many jobs111”
You’re still not supposed to shoot the hostages.
How about you be angry at the business owner for paying a shit wage? Tips should be a bonus you get for a job well done not something that makes your life liveable, that’s what your wage is for. We aren’t to blame if your boss is a piece of shit who refuses to pay you a liveable wage.
I assure you I am also angry at my corporate masters, but they’re irredeemable scum and aren’t on Lemmy. It angers me more when I see people cheering that food is being taken out of my mouth as though it’s some virtuous blow to my bosses. It’s not. You’re only further exploiting already exploited people
It’s so much nicer travelling in places where service workers are valued by their employers.
I still support the anti-tipping people though - it’s the single best option they have to effect change. It’s something small, concrete, and moves things to the desired end-state.
Stop tipping and donate the amount to community organizations fighting poverty instead.
Good! Tipping culture is NOT generosity; it is a symptom of an exploitative economic model that values capital accumulation more than basic human dignity.
Tipping is beyond fucked up.
Guy at home depot loading your heavy ass lumber into the truck? No tip.
Some dipshit behind the counter punching numbers on a screen, you better believe that’s a tippin!
STOP TIPPING unless somone is actually serving you!! Ask yourself, is this service closer to the guy loading the lumber, or the gas station attendant sitting behind the register?
STOP TIPPING
unless somone is actually serving you!!FTFY
Also good!
You all are nuts for how much you tip these days.
It used to be you tipped waiters at restaurants (not register jockeys), your hairdresser, the valet guy, the hotel maid, and maaaaybe the delivery guys if they went above and beyond hooked stuff up and you made them carry something heavy up 10 flights of stairs. That’s it.
The waiter got 10-15% for good service. I dunno about hairdressers but I think around 10% was normal. Everyone else got a few bucks to a fiver (unless you drove a Lamborghini)
Tipping landlords - are you kidding me? Tipping when you weren’t served? - gtfo Do you do it because you’re afraid of conflict? You’re doing it to yourselves - it was bad enough before and you all are just feeding the beast.
Tipping landlords
Nobody does this.
The final straw for me was 5 Guys. They added a gratuity on (wtf for idk coz I got my own EVERYTHING) the ticket, then had the audacity to have a tip jar. Never going back.
Well, we past our tipping point in the US a while ago, so…
Good, the only way people will get a living wage is if the people stand with them and refuse to tip
Refusing to tip does nothing to convince an employer to pay more. It only further exploits an already exploited worker.
If you actually care don’t patronize businesses that have a tipped wage and lobby for a higher minimum wage.
Your advice would require people to drastically change their lives right now. Everything’s tipped.
Telling people to stop tipping requires almost nothing from them.
And yes, it will make things worse for the exploited workers - they’ll have to find new jobs if they’re not happy with their agreed-upon remuneration. But it’s this that will convince the employer to pay more - if they can’t attract staff they’ll have to offer more
Stopping tipping also puts the burden where it should be. You are the one saying your pay isn’t enough (and thus need tipping) - you fight for it yourself.
A gas station that I go to added a tips jar a few years ago. Wtf. You aren’t doing shit but tapping on a sale screen. I really like the people working there. They remember me and we chat. But I’m not tipping you because I bought a Gatorade and you rang it up.
On the other hand, I dated someone from another country who didn’t live a tipping culture. When she covered a meal and didn’t tip, I’d leave cash because I know it’s expected. I was embarrassed that she didn’t agree with our custom.
Tipping needs to go. Just pay people a fair wage.
Tip fatigue is real. When every interaction with a touchpad asks you for a little something extra on top of inflation, it gets old fast.
I tip 20% when I get served by a person. I typically add 10-15% on carryout, for their troubles.
A brewery I go to weekly for dinner with friends recently changed the tip buttons on the pad to 18, 22, and 25. I like them a lot, but the place is pricey, and you have to go to the bar to order. They get the 18% button now. (I could do the math, but… beer)
I typically add 10-15% on carryout, for their troubles.
When will you start tipping your car dealer 10-15%? your lawyer? PCP? insurance agent?
The troubles are real after all.
Don’t forget to tip your landlord while you’re at it, and give an extra 10% to the fed come tax time (so now.)
Do you tip 10-20% at the drive through? It’s equivalent to take out except you don’t have to get out of your car.
Can’t wait until we start tipping our colleagues for replying to our emails. It’s only fair.
Chinese tip always 2 dollars
Door dasher in Australia here: after about 500 completed orders, I can say I’ve been tipped once, by this old lady like A$5.
Tipping is stupid. I’m not incentivised to do anything better. The app would just give everyone crappier orders if everyone tipped.
The point of tipping isn’t generosity, it’s because some jobs in the US make $2 an hour, that tip is their wage.
You tip servers and delivery drivers.
The standard federal minimum wage still applies. If tips aren’t enough to get you there then the employer has to make up the difference.
Tips are literally a subsidy paid to your employer so that they don’t have to pay you (just the $2.13 federal tipped minimum wage).
The point of tipping is to incentivise staff to do a good job. Of course employers saw staff getting extra money and decided they didn’t need to pay as much any more. Tipping has now grown to the point where you are expected to pay extra for just about anything or else the worker doesn’t get paid, which is not only counter-intuitive, it’s just stupid.
I travelled through Eastern Europe a while ago and got so sick of extra “taxes” added to the price of everything that I just stopped buying stuff. I imagine tip fatigue being pretty similar.
The point of tipping is to incentivise staff to do a good job.
Maybe originally, but for servers and delivery drivers, it’s the only compensation for their labor they receive.
This is just wrong. If tips stopped tomorrow you’d still get whatever your state minimum wage is (or at least the $7.50 federal minimum).
And now that Trump wants to make tips tax free, I’m about to tip even less. At least by the amount of the tax deduction.
