President Donald Trump says he’d like to see Arab nations increase the number of Palestinian refugees they are accepting from the Gaza Strip — potentially moving out enough of the population to “clean out” the area to create a virtual clean slate.
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“Something has to happen,” Trump said. “But it’s literally a demolition site right now. Almost everything’s demolished, and people are dying there.” He added: “So, I’d rather get involved with some of the Arab nations, and build housing in a different location, where they can maybe live in peace for a change.”
Greater of two evils turns out to be greater than imagined. Protest votes in shambles, denying that this was entirely foreseeable.
Notice how the “protest votes” have completely vanished? 🤔
Public outcry over the Palestinian Genocide has never been louder and it will keep getting louder.
Public outcry ≠ protest voters.
ok, so what exactly would this category of people you define as having voted and done literally nothing nothing else be doing to not disappear right now?
It seems to me, by definition of how you have delineated the category of people you want to criticize you should expect not to “see” them until the next time they vote…
At least a few of them have been pretty outspoken here on Lemmy even after the election. Not so now though.
I don’t understand how this distinction works though, I voted for Harris so I don’t fit into either category but wouldn’t you just remove people from the “protest vote gone quiet” if you saw them not being quiet about it?
Like those just become “protestors” right?
No, there are still some of them around still doing the “both parties are the same” schtick, claiming Harris would have done this too.
Make no mistake, both parties are willing and complicit in the Palestinian Genocide, that does not make them equally evil, it means that splitting hairs about Harris or Biden being a litttle less genocidal and much more polite about it too… is an incredibly hollow argument that inveitably leads to a deadend of nihilistic cynicism.
I think you might not be understanding how people are making this point in conversation with you.
Good
Because the accounts who’se goal was to influence the election have done their job, they are taking a break.
Because they never existed in any meaningful capacity.
Good job being trained to hate other poor people
There’s no genocide if you’re not around to fight for your land, I guess. No wars under trump - yeah, because he forces you to bend over and take it up the ass.
Protest votes did not meaningfully impact the election
Trump says he wants to commit another genocide
Seriously, that is what that headline says, and nobody bays an eye anymore because it’s trump so of course he’s saying this shit
Because it was never only about the genocide. They care more about who they wanted to blame for it. They’re conspicuously silent now that it’s trump.
Resettling Palestinians elsewhere seems like a straightforward solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Honestly baffling no one else thought of this given how many decades this thing has been happening.
-A very stable genius, apparently
What could possibly go wrong with the forced insertion of a group of people into a concentrated geographic region?
Just stick them in Kurdistan. Land without a people for a people without a land … I think I’ve seen this one before …
Just like Solomon, only he kills one of the women…
And who gets Gaza, Don?
I’m having trouble thinking, need some stable
geniusconqueror genocide energy.Jared Kushner, Donald Trump’s former White House adviser and his son-in-law, praised the “very valuable” potential of Gaza’s “waterfront property,” suggesting that Israel should remove civilians while it “cleans up” the area.
Further in the article he says this:
Additionally, Kushner suggested that he “would just bulldoze something in the Negev, I would try to move people in there,” adding: “I know that won’t be the popular thing to do, but I think that’s a better option to do, so you can go in and finish the job.”
“I think Israel’s gone way more out of their way than a lot of other countries would, to try to protect civilians from casualties,” Kushner added.
Fucking ghoul.
New Gaz-a-Lago golf course speedrun.
And who gets Gaza, Don?
Jared.
Putting the Palestinians from Gaza in other Arab countries and giving their remaining land to Israel sounds like a recipe for destruction of their national identity.
Forcible resettlements are not listed in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article II, but in my opinion the essential effect would be achieved none the less.
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
- Killing members of the group;
- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
- Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Ah… One more international convention the USA will choose to ignore. It does not matter who is in government, the USA adheres to only very few of them
So the great plan that the republicans and sit outs voted/ did not vote for as an alternative to Harris was to remove everyone from their country and force everyone else to take them as refugees? Like forced evacuation? Leave or die? Ukraine should be pretty scared right about now.
So Biden was the bad person who allowed Netanyahu to kill all those people? No. Trump will allow Israel to completely take over all Palestinian areas and either kill them all off or forcefully remove them. Netty’s plan was always to take that land back for Israel.
I don’t think you realize that pointing out Trump will be worse for Palestinians (which is tragic and true) doesn’t absolve Biden for failing reprehensibly to use his power in the US-Israel relationship to stem the mass killing and genocide of Palestinians.
It doesn’t have to. Biden and Harris being significantly less bad is enough to make them a better choice
Trolley problem etc
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criticising Biden without also criticising Trump
I have always been careful to criticize conservatives for being worse, so has the vast majority of people who are upset about the Palestinian Genocide and having their leaders betray their basic values.
This feels like being attacked for being a “Bernie Bro” when EVERY leftist I knew especially in swingstates voted for Hillary despite despising her.
It seems like a lot of moderates have decided every dead Palestinian will be another opportunity to tell the world about how they were right about everything forever but the unstoppably powerful American leftist movement ruined everything and any counter-arguments or inconvenient facts will just be ignored while they repost the same four or five talking points and memes
I think on some level they feel guilty about how everything has turned out and this is their way of processing that, so, like, there’s some humanity in this still deep down at least
Yeah it honestly has got to suck, that is why you have to pull the emergency alarm connected to the massive bright red blinking TURN BACK NOW sign as soon as direct moral and ethical complicity in genocide begins to enter the picture.
If you don’t shit gets overwhelmingly complicated fast and inveitably nuanced narratives collapse into a white dwarf of simple stories, us vs them attitudes and blinding complacency.
It also means that any coalition you build is full of members that violated their beliefs and values (secular or religious) for the chance to work with you… which means they are either desperate or they don’t have integrity.
…and you know what at the end of the day that is bargaining from a position of extreme weakness and even the checked out uninformed voter who puts very little intellectual pursuit into deciding who they will vote for can sense that and they will coldly see it for the weakness it is.
Turn back to what? There is no political party in America capable of winning a nationwide election that isn’t complicit. I just tried to keep every conversation I had with people about why they should vote for Harris focused on what an idiot Trump was and how bad his response to COVID was and I just didn’t talk about Palestine at all because I honestly think Harris was a genocide accommodating piece of shit on this (and on immigration issues) and had to focus on how she was going to be better about LGBT and disability issues to keep myself motivated to vote for her at all.
I have supported political coalitions of people who I think would let me and my friends be killed if there were enough votes or dollars in it my entire life because I’ll take their apathy over Republicans’ hostility, but I’m not going to lie about who they are, especially not when I think it’s a big part of the problems they’ve been having problems beating Republicans.
criticising Biden without also criticising Trump is why we now have a narcissistic sociopath in the White House.
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It’s actually a good idea.
Found Netanyahu ^
Thanks, Andrew Jackson.
It’s genocide.
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I hope Trump bans all your genders.
Funny enough, this is the second time in as many days that I’ve seen one of you people specifically singling out LGBTQ+ people in your little temper tantrums. Makes it pretty obvious that Palestine was just your excuse to welcome the christian nationalists in. You see, we suspected that you didn’t care before but now it appears your masks are slipping off.
Some other asshole told someone with a trans kid that they should care about Palestinians more than their son.
And when I pointedly asked that person (as I often do in these situations) what specifically they have done about this genocide other than berate people for not caring as much as they do, they did not answer. I never get an answer. As if it’s a challenge to send form letters to politicians, but they don’t even bother doing that. Easier to sit on their ass and tell other people how awful they are.
they did not answer
Yeah, the Israeli or Russian troll farms that were driving this whole thing and providing the slogans and snappy comebacks have achieved their goal and left now. So now the confused kids that are left don’t have any snappy comebacks anymore, except to repeatedly take digs at LGBTQ+ people and reveal the real reason they were drawn into this.
Amusingly enough, right after I posted that, they responded to me again and told me they refused to tell me what they are doing about the genocide because it would get rid of their anonymity.
Unless they are literally in a militant group fighting Israel, that’s a stupid as fuck excuse. And even then, “I am in a militant group in Gaza and fighting Israel” doesn’t let anyone know who they are.
that’s a stupid as fuck excuse
Not necessarily. I have family members who are active in supporting Palestine, and they have been systematically harassed by pro-Likud groups. This has included offensive phone calls and emails to their employers, poison-pen messages sent to their university administration calling them antisemitic, people coming to their house to harangue them as they go out the door, and other interference. So far, at least there’s been no violence or vandalism, though the one who’s most active is also a hard target. It’s nerve-wracking, and I can easily see the case for maintaining anonymity when that sort of shit is happening.
Yes necessarily. There is literally no way for us to find out who that person is. No way at all.
Well, a considerable proportion of these users are likely trolls/propagandists trying to fracture the non-fascists even more. It’s worth remembering that many people who protested against the Democratic Party’s approach to Israel voted for them anyway because they thought it was still the better alternative. There are true assholes in the world too of course, including pro-palestine ones, there are in any movement, but there is a risk that they are exaggerated and made to seem more common through the work of propagandists.
I have probably spent the equivalent of weeks since this genocide began working with JVP, spending 4-5 hours a week making phone calls, sending form emails, showing up to my representative’s district office and talk directly to his staff, etc. I am dealing with two chronic illnesses and a bunch of other shit and I can still make the time and the effort. Other than going to their office, I would barely call it effort.
And every single time I ask people like this what they have done, they either don’t answer or do what this moron I am mentioning just did a few minutes ago and claim that if they say what they are doing, it would get rid of their anonymity.
They clearly aren’t willing to even send the form letters I mentioned, despite them being readily available, complete with lists of email and snail mail addresses to send them to. Sending one a month would be more than they are currently doing.
Most of them clearly didn’t even know what Palestine even was prior to October 7, and others still, aren’t aware that the West Bank is even a fucking thing.
They’re clueless.
Settle down love, he already has.
So we’ll all be nonbinary?
Gender on my DL: human.
I’m a cishet male, but I’m 100% ok with this. Only medical doctors really need to know anyhow
I’d be fine with that too, to be honest. It’s a social construct anyway for the most part. We could all agree to eliminate the concept of gender entirely if we wanted to and very little in terms of anything significant would change.
Okay if this goes through I’ll have to admit that the leopards have indeed eaten faces.
