cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/31800514

“There’s no reason to build this in Guantánamo unless you want to do things you don’t think you could get away with on the U.S. mainland. It’s easy to put tents in Florida. But they’re putting them in Cuba. Ask yourself why.”

  • newacctidk [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    13 hours ago

    Watch libs use this to say they oppose Gitmo, but only in the confines of Trump doing this. Just skipping past the humanity of those in the torture dungeon part of the prison

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      10 hours ago

      Not this time.

      They have transitioned from resistance libs to acceptance libs.

      During the first Trump term they were all performatively taking the moral high ground, distancing themselves from the Cheeto in the White house.

      This time around they are becoming MAGA chuds themselves. liberalism failed to produce tangible results for them so now they are all boarding the Trump train, talking about how something must be done about the “illegal immigrants” (ie. non-Aryans), European leaders who would have told Trump to fuck off are now clicking their heels and butchering their welfare states to buy Yankee weapons.

      It’s fucked.

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      On the contrary they’re positively giddy with anticipation, they believe everyone sent to those camps axiomatically deserves it because Kamala didn’t win

      They’re cheering it on right along side the Trumpers

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    They can get away with a concentration camp on the mainland. That’s not the problem.

    What they want is secrecy. That concerns me considerably more because it means there’s something they want to do in it that they won’t be able to keep secret on the mainland. It’s not just a concentration camp.

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      I remember in Australia they moved our refugee/immigrant camps because the local ones got harrassed a lot. It apparently doesn’t take that much to put it far away

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      14 hours ago

      It’s horrifying what is happening. I can only imagine what will be revealed after someone risks their life to expose it.

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        And then - at best - the libs will be mad about it for a couple of news cycles. It will have absolutely no consequences to the people responsible.

        If anything it will start a “open-minded debate” on whether non-Aryans deserve human rights. Most people will thing they don’t.

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        12 hours ago

        It’s more likely to be something along Unit 731 than Auschwitz. If we’re going to keep making WW2 comparisons then we should also start with the precursor to those which would be the Shark Island concentration camp in Namibia. It was a concentration camp in Namibia that used the people sent there for slave labor and medical experiments. No gas chambers though but it didn’t really matter with how many people died in the camp anyway.

        Edit: Didn’t Australia do something similar with their detention centre in Nauru? It could also be something more along the lines of that. Still not good but a little less dramatic than immediately assuming it’s on the scale of Auschwitz.

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          I don’t think it will be Auschwitz. Not yet.

          Auschwitz didn’t happen overnight, those things develops over time as the barbarism of fascism accelerates.

          It will be another step on the road to American Auschwitz though. Like current US prisons and concentration camps but worse and more lawless.

          When we eventually learn of the crimes committed there the reaction will be like that to Abu Ghraib, widespread liberal horror and maybe the ritual sacrifice of a low-level scapegoat or two but no fundamental reckoning with the west’s dark rotting core of white supremacy.

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        Maybe? Elon wants to put chips in people’s brains doesn’t he? He’s gonna have tens of thousands of people to medically experiment with like all the monkeys he killed.

        Wasn’t there an interview where some billionaires quizzed a marxist on how to control people in their survival bunkers post-collapse and one of the suggestions one the billionaires had was brain chips? I might be misremembering but someone might know the article I’m talking about.

        EDIT: This is the one I had in mind. Brainchips not mentioned so I misremembered. But I think it still fits.

        Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the Event?”

        The Event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, unstoppable virus, or Mr Robot hack that takes everything down.

        This single question occupied us for the rest of the hour. They knew armed guards would be required to protect their compounds from the angry mobs. But how would they pay the guards once money was worthless? What would stop the guards from choosing their own leader? The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed in time.

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          How do I secure the viability of my tiny society of post-apocalyptic survivors?

          Do I set up a fair and equitable system that benefits all and promotes the building of community and solidarity?

          Nah… I’ll just put bombs around my armed goons’ necks.

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    17 hours ago

    It is unlawful for our government to use Guantánamo as a legal black hole, yet that is exactly what the Trump administration is doing.

    Err actually Mr. Nazi, I have a right to not board that train nerd

    Organize or die

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    18 hours ago

    Remember when Obummer failed to close this?

    Remember when Joe Biden’s AG argued for the right to indefinitely detain migrants?

    Dems love laying the groundwork for the most horrid shit ever and then going ‘oh nooo the humanity’ when the tinder they laid turns into a towering inferno.

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      I do wonder what’s happening behind the curtain in Havana. Are they discussing this development? Not that anyone here would know. It’s simply a curiosity. They must have some form of monitoring apparatus for gitmo right?

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        You would think but, then again, there’s a lot of things that I thought that have turned out to not be the case lately.

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    Chuds can finally knock off their bullshit about migrants “being a burden” on taxpayers or whatever, we all knew that was an excuse. They obviously have no problem with the gov’t spending millions, possibly billions, of their tax dollars on a facility that’s solely dedicated holding migrants.